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Post by stkmw02 on Dec 21, 2013 13:53:40 GMT -5
These are some great points! First of all, thank you for supporting the project and expressing your suggestions for how we can make it more appealing to fans. This is the kind of stuff we love to hear!
Right now, the focus of the 30 Years of Garbage project is on the Kickstarter campaign and spreading the word. We can't begin any production until we raise the necessary funds, since we want to be sure this film is as awesome as possible. That means traveling to the artists and major events, renting the best equipment, hiring professional crew, etc. We want to do this right! So... we are waiting anxiously to reach our goal, eager to get started on filming!
Sean and Joe put a lot of planning into the timing... If we reach our goal, production can begin in early 2014 so the project will be ready to distribute for the 2015 Anniversary. Until then, Sean is editing furiously to complete his film The King of Arcades so we're ready to shift our blood, sweat, and tears - 1000% - into 30 Years of Garbage.
While I will continue to check this thread as often as possible, you can also communicate with the crew (and receive the exclusive updates) by pledging on the campaign and liking the Facebook page. We're very open to your suggestions! Also, I promise we'll be investing our time and money in only .the. .best. filming locations and opportunities.
As for the distribution methods, the amount of funds we are attempting to raise includes the cost of DVD production for an exclusive Kickstarter edition of the DVD. We'll be looking into other distribution options after the project is complete.
Thanks again for your feedback, and Happy first day of Winter! Here's to a New Year full of GARBAGE!
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Dec 21, 2013 14:13:44 GMT -5
I don't get why this project is a Kickstarter. People will be "donating" their money to get it made, but then the producers can profit off of it later? The way this documentary is setup it seems like it should be a self-funded project. If someone like Aaron came on and said hey UG, I'm doing a documentary and need some help, I'd be all over it. Just not feeling it, sorry.
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Post by Artful Dodger on Dec 21, 2013 16:03:37 GMT -5
I don't get why this project is a Kickstarter. People will be "donating" their money to get it made, but then the producers can profit off of it later? The way this documentary is setup it seems like it should be a self-funded project. If someone like Aaron came on and said hey UG, I'm doing a documentary and need some help, I'd be all over it. Just not feeling it, sorry. I am not sure how it works but I doubt this documentary has a chance to really make any money. |
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 21, 2013 19:17:01 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with Artful Dodger. I don't see them making a profit off of this. Heck, they are struggling just to get the costs paid for. The donations are the actual sales if you look at it that way. Not enough people want a DVD as it is, if that was true the kickstarter would be fully funded right now.
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Post by stkmw02 on Dec 22, 2013 13:32:40 GMT -5
Señor Dón Elf, I completely understand your viewpoint. The reason this is a Kickstarter project is simple: we don't have money. We're not a big Hollywood company making millions off our work. Sean does corporate videos to keep his business running, but these documentaries are personal passion projects that he does on the side. I'm a Preschool teacher at a Day Care, where I can stay close to our Leaky Liam. We get by from paycheck to paycheck, just like most families today. If we could afford to produce this on our own, we would. As for profiting off of indie film making, all we want is enough money to cover the cost of filming, editing, and producing the film... plus providing the awesome perks to our backers. We've got a detailed budget sheet to account for every penny we're hoping to raise. All of the funds go toward making the movie better. If we did happen to raise more than our goal, we would add more content to the documentary.
As Artful Dodger mentioned, this isn't a project that is going to rake in the cash. PunkRotten is absolutely right. The Kickstarter is sort of like a pre-sale of the DVD, and we try to offer interesting perks to anyone generous enough to contribute more funds. The bottom line is, we need the support of fans to make it happen.
If this isn't a documentary you want to see made, we obviously don't expect you to contribute your hard earned money. But if you believe in this project and want to support us in our quest to commemorate the classic artists and cards, dig up 30 years of scandal, and share the Garbage Pail Kids' story with the world... then we need your help.
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Post by Artful Dodger on Dec 22, 2013 15:18:51 GMT -5
Señor Dón Elf, I completely understand your viewpoint. The reason this is a Kickstarter project is simple: we don't have money. We're not a big Hollywood company making millions off our work. Sean does corporate videos to keep his business running, but these documentaries are personal passion projects that he does on the side. I'm a Preschool teacher at a Day Care, where I can stay close to our Leaky Liam. We get by from paycheck to paycheck, just like most families today. If we could afford to produce this on our own, we would. As for profiting off of indie film making, all we want is enough money to cover the cost of filming, editing, and producing the film... plus providing the awesome perks to our backers. We've got a detailed budget sheet to account for every penny we're hoping to raise. All of the funds go toward making the movie better. If we did happen to raise more than our goal, we would add more content to the documentary. As Artful Dodger mentioned, this isn't a project that is going to rake in the cash. PunkRotten is absolutely right. The Kickstarter is sort of like a pre-sale of the DVD, and we try to offer interesting perks to anyone generous enough to contribute more funds. The bottom line is, we need the support of fans to make it happen. If this isn't a documentary you want to see made, we obviously don't expect you to contribute your hard earned money. But if you believe in this project and want to support us in our quest to commemorate the classic artists and cards, dig up 30 years of scandal, and share the Garbage Pail Kids' story with the world... then we need your help. I think if you do make money off of it, then great. More than likely this isnt a money making project BUT you guys will get recognition which will lead to other money making projects (hopefully right?). I dont feel as if me contributing and then you making money is somehow a scam or anything. In fact, I think your awards are great and I feel like you get a lot as a contributor regardless of the level you contribute. So everyone wins here. Now lets get people donating so this thing get made! |
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Dec 22, 2013 16:19:09 GMT -5
To clarify what I mean by "self-funded", I mean pursuing financing options that are more traditional than crowd-funding. It has already been alluded to the project will be made no matter what, and with Adam Goldberg now signed on (I enjoy his show, BTW), I see the Kickstarter as more a bonus if you raise additional capital outside the Kickstarter. My comments are not motivated by someone hoping to add some swag or a sealed DVD to the collection, or someone hoping to get some screen-time (like at a comic con), or show-off their collection. I come to the community here every day and my gut feel said something is off about the project, I couldn't get through the promo video, and in behind the scenes discussion there is a some feel/concern the attitude behind the project is another easy cash grab by another entity. So if you are wondering why people here aren't rushing to sign-up then maybe that's a reason why.
Would you be willing to fully distribute it on YouTube or Vimeo if it gets funded through Kickstarter? This way backers are helping finance something that will be shared with anyone/everyone afterward.
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Post by Dxtc0187 on Dec 23, 2013 7:26:07 GMT -5
Dude it's a Doc. the only person who can finacially sustain themselves from documentaries is Michael Moore. Yes they have the help of Adam Goldberg but that doesn't translate to instant funds for this project. I see far more out cry right now on this site about this project then the fact that some very wealthy people Kristin Bell, Zach Braff and Spike Lee have done the same thing but you know what the difference is this couple doing this doc are real people. They need help I understand that when you take on a project you love and want to get done sometimes it's bigger than anticipated and you might need extra backing to get it done and why not contact the people who are most likely to respond. To say that this looks like a cash grab by another entity seems a little off the mark. I would say if it was a cash grab Topps would be all over it but instead we have a bunch of artists that we do interact with and know that they love GPK and respect us the fans who are part of this. It seems to me this is a passion Doc. As someone who at most goes maybe a day without watching somekind of Doc. the best ones are the ones made from passion where the film maker scrapes together the finances to get it done. It might not be as grandious as they wanted but still delivers the heart of it not the ones that major studios put out with their pompous bs. To say that anyone who has contributed to this Kickstarter has alternative motives as you so subtly alluded to is for the most part horseshit I would say that there might be some but 85% just want to see it made. To quote you a little more Dodger Baby "My comments are not motivated by someone hoping to add some swag or a sealed DVD to the collection, or someone hoping to get some screen-time (like at a comic con), or show-off their collection." Why the hell shouldn't they be in contact members of the biggest GPK fansite on the internet? Why the hell shouldn't they show someones collection? do you think showing some guy pack searching would be a better aspect for this movie I can tell you one thing if they filmed Doug, Tony, Cory or Keir or anyone here's collection I'd retard out and point at the screen and go Duh I knowed him and giggle and slap my my chest like Carlos Mencia and go DIDIDI. One more thing why not go to C2E2 to speak with a gathering of diehard GPK fans? They'll have access to some of the most knowledgable people in GPK in Cory, Aaron, Adam, Jimbo and Gpkcollector lot of info for the movie right there. Or are some people still pissed that Chicago won?
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Post by pepé on Dec 23, 2013 17:35:07 GMT -5
That would be sooo cool if a part of the movie was dedicated to the foreign releases...
But it would be a colossal work to talk about all the releases and to explain how the GPK phenomenon was received in foreign countries...
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Post by Nocturnus on Dec 26, 2013 16:47:57 GMT -5
Unless they get $60,000 in the next 10 days, it doesn't look like this is going to happen. That's a shame, it is a great idea.
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 26, 2013 20:16:12 GMT -5
Shame when stupid stuff like this raises this kind of money
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Post by LiveMike on Dec 26, 2013 23:34:01 GMT -5
Shame when stupid stuff like this raises this kind of money My god, that is sad. GPK is loaded with cultural relevance and needs to be brought to light through a documentary. Mega man? wtf |
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Post by Game8 on Dec 27, 2013 5:12:28 GMT -5
Shame when stupid stuff like this raises this kind of money My god, that is sad. GPK is loaded with cultural relevance and needs to be brought to light through a documentary. Mega man? wtf Wow thats crazy lol. Pledge goal 70k and the already made 250k with 23 days left  |
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Post by Cory on Dec 27, 2013 12:34:21 GMT -5
Shame when stupid stuff like this raises this kind of money My god, that is sad. GPK is loaded with cultural relevance and needs to be brought to light through a documentary. Mega man? wtf I think Mega Man has had much more impact on people than GPK. Mega Man is one of the most popular and beloved videogame characters of all-time. The sculpts in this board game are great, I can see why people want them. Time Man and Oil Man being included is a really cool bonus too (the forgotten Mega Man Powered Up additional bosses). This kickstarter has really cool rewards too. Almost every level adds something awesome. Things that the Mega Man fan base would really like in their collection. If this thing would have been based on Mega Man 2 then I think the kickstarter donations would be double what they are right now. |
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Post by Artful Dodger on Dec 27, 2013 12:44:11 GMT -5
My god, that is sad. GPK is loaded with cultural relevance and needs to be brought to light through a documentary. Mega man? wtf I think Mega Man has had much more impact on people than GPK. Mega Man is one of the most popular and beloved videogame characters of all-time. The sculpts in this board game are great, I can see why people want them. Time Man and Oil Man being included is a really cool bonus too (the forgotten Mega Man Powered Up additional bosses). This kickstarter has really cool rewards too. Almost every level adds something awesome. Things that the Mega Man fan base would really like in their collection. If this thing would have been based on Mega Man 2 then I think the kickstarter donations would be double what they are right now. I spent so many hours as a kid playing mega man 2. One of the classic NES games. |
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 27, 2013 20:41:31 GMT -5
Yeah I donated to a videogame kickstarter in November and they got 150% their goal. Which was the same amount as the GPK kickstarter with less time as well. There is a lot more videogame fans than GPK fans. For GPK you're looking at people from 32-40 yrs of age as the bulk of the die-hard fans. Gamers age range spans much wider and many of them never heard of GPK. I've even come across guys my age that never heard of them. It is a bummer, the GPK kickstarter may not get funded but I thought it was cooler than a videogame board game.
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Dec 28, 2013 23:50:38 GMT -5
Dude it's a Doc. the only person who can finacially sustain themselves from documentaries is Michael Moore. Yes they have the help of Adam Goldberg but that doesn't translate to instant funds for this project. I see far more out cry right now on this site about this project then the fact that some very wealthy people Kristin Bell, Zach Braff and Spike Lee have done the same thing but you know what the difference is this couple doing this doc are real people. They need help I understand that when you take on a project you love and want to get done sometimes it's bigger than anticipated and you might need extra backing to get it done and why not contact the people who are most likely to respond. To say that this looks like a cash grab by another entity seems a little off the mark. I would say if it was a cash grab Topps would be all over it but instead we have a bunch of artists that we do interact with and know that they love GPK and respect us the fans who are part of this. It seems to me this is a passion Doc. As someone who at most goes maybe a day without watching somekind of Doc. the best ones are the ones made from passion where the film maker scrapes together the finances to get it done. It might not be as grandious as they wanted but still delivers the heart of it not the ones that major studios put out with their pompous bs. To say that anyone who has contributed to this Kickstarter has alternative motives as you so subtly alluded to is for the most part horseshit I would say that there might be some but 85% just want to see it made. To quote you a little more Dodger Baby "My comments are not motivated by someone hoping to add some swag or a sealed DVD to the collection, or someone hoping to get some screen-time (like at a comic con), or show-off their collection." Why the hell shouldn't they be in contact members of the biggest GPK fansite on the internet? Why the hell shouldn't they show someones collection? do you think showing some guy pack searching would be a better aspect for this movie I can tell you one thing if they filmed Doug, Tony, Cory or Keir or anyone here's collection I'd retard out and point at the screen and go Duh I knowed him and giggle and slap my my chest like Carlos Mencia and go DIDIDI. One more thing why not go to C2E2 to speak with a gathering of diehard GPK fans? They'll have access to some of the most knowledgable people in GPK in Cory, Aaron, Adam, Jimbo and Gpkcollector lot of info for the movie right there. Or are some people still pissed that Chicago won? I am not pissed, but sad I will not see you in Chicago, dxtc. You put a lot of words in my mouth here, so I am not going to bother responding to all of this. My main thought is there is a sort of attitude that has developed about GPK that is not balanced (as demonstrated by the kickstarter). If you want to crowd-source funds, it needs to appeal to a broader base of people, people that don't just buy into everything GPK since apparently hardcore collectors are not enough. Maybe listening to this base and thinking of their desires would help make a project that is over-funded with plenty of time to spare instead of where the project is now. I never said I didn't want to see the things I specifically mentioned, just that I am not motivated by those factors and am thinking of what an average collector or non-collector (perhaps potential new one) would want to see to pick-up a documentary. I think doing a doc is a great idea, but GPK is about my gut (as it is with donating money), so I am going with it on this one. |
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Dec 29, 2013 11:19:32 GMT -5
Both of you have good points. What needs to happen now is the following:
1. Kickstarter Organizers need to realize that: We all want this kickstarter to succeed
2. They need to reach out to a bigger audience outside of the gpkug. see #3
3. My prediction that 250 people would sign up was based on gpkug general traffic.
4. The donation levels have to appeal to everyone, so less emphasis on collectibles and more on something that everyone can relate to and want to take part in.
I want to focus on #4, i'd like to see the following, if they decide to try it again:
1. Something besides cards. How about a gpk scrapbook for example. Something we haven't seen before. Something unique.
2. less donation levels. Seems gimmicky as it stands now. EVeryone will back a project they believe in. So more emphasis on the project itself and what it's about, perhaps worded differently. Remove the sales-sheet (because it looks like it was put together by topps)
3. graphics of newspaper clippings saying "gpk's banned in school". For shock factor and interest. Followed by a quick summary of gpk's and what they are, for the uninformed.
Timing was not the issue as some have pointed out (megaman example). The marketing of it was; but that's on us. We have to help them advertise this to the general public but the marketing message has to appeal to a broader audience. As it stands now, asking our friends to take part in something that focuses solely on the hard core collectors of this community is like asking someone to come to a trekkie convention, honestly.
Overall, this will eventually get funded but it prob won't ever reach the 75k they're requesting. Perhaps someone can step up and do some things pro-bono (editing, collecting video footage, research). This is where the organizers can step in; they need to let us know how we can help, besides money.
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 29, 2013 21:24:04 GMT -5
I just wish some rich celebrity was a GPK fan and they paid the remainder of the kickstarter. That would rock.
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Post by Joe Simko on Jan 1, 2014 15:56:21 GMT -5
Happy New Year! Latest update from the 30 Years of Garbage crew:
/posts
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Post by PunkRotten on Jan 2, 2014 20:21:12 GMT -5
Wow, they are almost at half the goal now. Couple people donated on the big tiers. I hope this momentum continues.
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Post by Gpk Customs on Jan 3, 2014 12:09:05 GMT -5
Really want to see this movie. I'm in for a couple hundred. Hopefully someone knows a movie star that needs a write off. Or maybe Topps will chip in for a producer credit!
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Post by Cory on Jan 3, 2014 12:58:04 GMT -5
We need a biblical flood of support right about now.
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Post by Gpk Customs on Jan 3, 2014 13:24:18 GMT -5
At this point I just hope if it doesn't go through they do a re evaluation, figure out a new budget, new rewards at different tiers, and try again. I really hope they make it but at this point looks unlikely but worth a try.
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Post by PunkRotten on Jan 4, 2014 17:38:47 GMT -5
It's climbing, at 41K now. There is 30 hours left, can they make it?
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Post by PunkRotten on Jan 4, 2014 17:41:49 GMT -5
At this point I just hope if it doesn't go through they do a re evaluation, figure out a new budget, new rewards at different tiers, and try again. I really hope they make it but at this point looks unlikely but worth a try. It was rushed a little. They even admit that. The thing is, they want this to be complete for the 30th anniversary. It gives them a year to film and have it ready. So if they happen to redo it, it has to be done pretty fast again. The budget might come down if there is anyone in the GPK world that can help. Meaning, a skill or recording equipment, or something that can reduce costs. Otherwise, as said in their kickstarter it has to be rented. |
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Post by PunkRotten on Jan 4, 2014 17:47:55 GMT -5
Probably too late now, but there is a punk band in southern California called The Nipples. They are big GPK fans and John Pound even painted up their CD cover. They used to have a website but I think it doesn't exist anymore, I went looking for it. I thought it would have been good to bring this to their attention. They might have helped generate some money. The band Faith No More are fans too, they mention GPK in their song "We Care A lot."
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Post by Artful Dodger on Jan 6, 2014 7:22:41 GMT -5
Just got this message
"Unfortunately, 30 YEARS OF GARBAGE: The Garbage Pail Kids Story did not reach its funding goal by the project deadline. As a result, your $25.00 USD pledge has been automatically canceled and your card will not be charged."
I do hope they do it again. I think they got quite a bit of money and could go for 35k reasonably and see where that gets them. I see no harm in asking for lower as you could always get more. The problem now is that some might be confused that they already donated or something.
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Jan 6, 2014 15:20:56 GMT -5
Yes it's a shame this didn't get funded. Brent, if you're reading this i got a 4k hd camera that i wouldn't mind letting you guys use probono. We live close enough that you could come and pick it up anytime you want. The rental costs of equipment is ridiculous.
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Jan 6, 2014 16:28:11 GMT -5
I am surprised it did not squeak through at the end. I think there were some good ideas proposed here to help out. My main suggestion would be to find the 1980's spirit of GPK where it was a simpler time and not try to emulate what Topps or other KickStarters are doing. My impression is people are fatigued with "exclusives" and want something more simple. At the very least, any donor should have a chance to have their name included in the credits (if they want), not just at the $100 level, since I don't see any real costs associated with it.
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Really cool box. I wish they had the Nasty Nick box too though 