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Post by PunkRotten on Nov 28, 2013 17:31:56 GMT -5
The donations are starting to slow down. I hope there is enough GPK fans to get the kickstarter goal met.
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Post by damien308 on Dec 7, 2013 0:48:26 GMT -5
not looking good
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 7, 2013 2:03:08 GMT -5
I think having it near Xmas is complicating things.
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Dec 7, 2013 14:27:41 GMT -5
This really proves the point that gpk collectors are out of cash and completely stretched out financially. Ironic that it took a kickstarter event to prove it. |
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 7, 2013 17:11:47 GMT -5
True. But I also think majority of people are like that. Have poor spending habits, don't have any cash set aside ever etc. People don't know how to prioritize with their cash as soon as they get it they blow it. And like I say, they never have spare cash for situations like these. What people need to learn is that, part of being well off is learning to hang onto your money.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. But I think it is a mixture of the above, the timing (being around Xmas), and the word getting out to few people. I'd like to believe there are at least a few thousand GPK fans out there. I think only a fraction have heard about this kickstarter.
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Post by Keirmon on Dec 7, 2013 17:15:39 GMT -5
Maybe it needs a kick starter to raise the advertising for the kick starter campaign...
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Dec 7, 2013 18:18:33 GMT -5
True. But I also think majority of people are like that. Have poor spending habits, don't have any cash set aside ever etc. People don't know how to prioritize with their cash as soon as they get it they blow it. And like I say, they never have spare cash for situations like these. What people need to learn is that, part of being well off is learning to hang onto your money. Anyway, sorry for the rant. But I think it is a mixture of the above, the timing (being around Xmas), and the word getting out to few people. I'd like to believe there are at least a few thousand GPK fans out there. I think only a fraction have heard about this kickstarter. The # of hard core gpk fans has really dropped off this past year. You have to be somewhat hardcore to care about the bonus cards being given out for this event. I can see it hitting about 250 people but not much beyond that. This site is a good barometer of the amount we can expect to fund this. I think the pledge goal may have been a bit too high considering. I am a bit surprised myself however. I was surely expecting at least 250 people to pledge towards this event. Really speaks volumes about the current state of this hobby and who the people are keeping it alive (inflated reality). Hopefully someone drops 50g's in the next couple weeks... i know a couple in this community with that kind of cash. Would be their best contribution to date... |
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Post by Dxtc0187 on Dec 7, 2013 18:21:09 GMT -5
I agree with Keir on this one a serious advertising storm is needed. I bet that most hardcore collectors have pledged because we love GPK but the people who need to be reached are the people who loved it back in the day but don't know about the multiple resurrections it has had since they grew up. There are some who have had children who inspired them to start the quest for the dream of a commonality between two generations and others who have had incidental encounters that have rekindled their childhood love. But so many don't know GPK hasn't left but just misused and mismanaged to the point that unless you stumble across it in the few stores that carry it you'd carry on believing it ended for good in the 80's those are the people that need to be reached with this Kickstarter the people who it isn't even on the playing field at this point the ones who have forgotten the love they had for GPK those are the ones who need to be made aware of this Kickstarter to push it further.
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Post by Cory on Dec 8, 2013 0:59:45 GMT -5
Just to play devils advocate a little to explain why this kickstarter hasn't taken off as much as people would have liked.
Maybe the focus of the film is off. Maybe nobody wants to hear what a bunch of new artists think about GPK or their contributions to the brand. Maybe people want to hear from the guys that MADE GPK into a phenomenon, the guys in the trenches when the explosion happened. Sure it'd be nice to talk about the newer stuff, but definitely not in length....like 10 minutes at the end of the film. The old stuff should be the focus and the impact it had on pop culture. Then you talk to collectors (and experts *cough*Aaron at the top of the list*cough*, damn I must be coming down with something) about their memories/factoids. Put in something about the GPK Community and what drives them to stay in the hobby, and how they get along here on the UG as a quasi-family. Take a look a diverse range of super collectors/collections (hardcore collectors, not investors or casuals, people that have passion for the brand, people that can tell you the a and b names of most OS1-9 GPK). I know it mentions doing a lot of the stuff I just mentioned but it's in a small paragraph and is kinda Schitzo Fran with the video that has a lot of new stuff in it.
I think the film is a great idea, I love it and I think the prizes are great, but does a GPK lover from the 80's have any shits to give about anything post 80's? I don't think people should donate just to get prizes, but for those motivated by that, are self-GPK'ed cards of new artists compelling to the person mentioned before?
This post isn't intended to knock this project because it is a good thing. Just looking at it in a different light. What do you guys think?
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Post by TornShaun on Dec 8, 2013 3:53:16 GMT -5
Just to play devils advocate a little to explain why this kickstarter hasn't taken off as much as people would have liked. Maybe the focus of the film is off. Maybe nobody wants to hear what a bunch of new artists think about GPK or their contributions to the brand. Maybe people want to hear from the guys that MADE GPK into a phenomenon, the guys in the trenches when the explosion happened. Sure it'd be nice to talk about the newer stuff, but definitely not in length....like 10 minutes at the end of the film. The old stuff should be the focus and the impact it had on pop culture. Then you talk to collectors (and experts *cough*Aaron at the top of the list*cough*, damn I must be coming down with something) about their memories/factoids. Put in something about the GPK Community and what drives them to stay in the hobby, and how they get along here on the UG as a quasi-family. Take a look a diverse range of super collectors/collections (hardcore collectors, not investors or casuals, people that have passion for the brand, people that can tell you the a and b names of most OS1-9 GPK). I know if mentions doing a lot of the stuff I just mentioned but it's in a small paragraph and is kinda Schitzo Fran with the video that has a lot of new stuff in it. I think the film is a great idea, I love it and I think the prizes are great, but does a GPK lover from the 80's have any shits to give about anything post 80's? I don't think people should donate just to get prizes, but for those motivated by that, are self-GPK'ed cards of new artists compelling to the person mentioned before? This post isn't intended to knock this project but it is a good thing. Just looking at it in a different light. What do you guys think? Plenty of valid points there Cory  I did email June Gonzalez about trying to get them to film at the GPKUG Chi Meet next year if the project gets funded. The UG imo is a massive part of GPK and what better way to get included but at the con |
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Dec 8, 2013 4:21:17 GMT -5
Just to play devils advocate a little to explain why this kickstarter hasn't taken off as much as people would have liked. Maybe the focus of the film is off.... I think the film is a great idea, I love it and I think the prizes are great, but does a GPK lover from the 80's have any shits to give about anything post 80's? I don't think people should donate just to get prizes, but for those motivated by that, are self-GPK'ed cards of new artists compelling to the person mentioned before? This post isn't intended to knock this project but it is a good thing. Just looking at it in a different light. What do you guys think? First, I think it is too early to worry about the goal being met. I agree with some of the points you make. I think they focused too much on prizes and not the end product. It sort of feels like a 2014 GPK release sales sheet.  For some reason the project doesn't grab my attention, maybe because like you said the focus appears to be in the present, and not the past, which is less tangible. A book would be cool to make with the same information, interviews, and photos of artwork, sketches, etc. I also am biased against Kickstarter. Many projects do not deliver and people try getting refunds after lengthy delays. I am not saying this would happen with the project at all, just that it is another barrier for me personally. I wish the team the best of luck in reaching their goal. It is too early to be worried yet though. |
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Dec 8, 2013 6:21:43 GMT -5
I don't think the levels of donation need tiered. Something simple lke a 50$ donation gets a special kickstarter only poster would suffice. I like the promo cards but i would never give 50, 100$ for a few cards which is the main reason why i still don't have an ans3 scratch and stink set. I know a lot of fans would want to hear more from Pound, the untold story if you will... but apparently he's quite difficult to get a hold of these days. I know the artists for this project are def 100% gungho for gpk's (i've seen pingatore's album) so i don't doubt that the documentary will be top notch. I just don't think the emphasis should be on collectors but more on what happened in 1986. I want to see old newspaper clippings/news stories of the time when i was collecting. I want to hear about kids getting their gpk's banned from school and the teachers commenting about it now and then. It feels more like we are glorifying the large collections of a few individuals instead of on the history of gpk's in general. So yes Cory, you have some very valid points and i do hope the organizers take notice and try to add something special (in the form of content, not prizes) to get people (casual fans) more in tuned with this event. Someone contact this principal (Bruce Bundy) and see if he's willing to give an interview: news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19860128&id=XLdjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BeEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5275,6299233 i'd love to hear his current take on the cards compared to todays violent video games and if he would still ban the cards today based on that comparison. And what happened at retail? i remember the lines outside hallmark stores for the 3rd series of Beanie Babies. How often did gas station attendants have to restock packs? What about 7-11? I'd like to see articles like the one below converted in video format with all the players of yesteryear reflecting back on that time period. articles.latimes.com/1986-05-23/news/vw-23549_1_garbage-pail-kids-cards"I put them all over my mom's car and got grounded for a week," i wanna see the kids who did this interviewed!! also more details on this: "Xavier Roberts, the artist creator of Cabbage Patch Kids, is said to be "furious." He is suing Topps for copyright infringement, according to Roger Schlaifer, president of Schlaifer Nance & Co., an Atlanta firm that negotiates licenses for Original Appalachian Artworks, makers of Cabbage Patch Kids" and how it has affected gpk's since |
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Post by Cory on Dec 8, 2013 8:55:19 GMT -5
I don't think the levels of donation need tiered. Something simple lke a 50$ donation gets a special kickstarter only poster would suffice. I like the promo cards but i would never give 50, 100$ for a few cards which is the main reason why i still don't have an ans4 scratch and stink set. I know a lot of fans would want to hear more from Pound, the untold story if you will... but apparently he's quite difficult to get a hold of these days. I know the artists for this project are def 100% gungho for gpk's (i've seen pingatore's album) so i don't doubt that the documentary will be top notch. I just don't think the emphasis should be on collectors but more on what happened in 1986. I want to see old newspaper clippings/news stories of the time when i was collecting. I want to hear about kids getting their gpk's banned from school and the teachers commenting about it now and then. It feels more like we are glorifying the large collections of a few individuals instead of on the history of gpk's in general. So yes Cory, you have some very valid points and i do hope the organizers take notice and try to add something special (in the form of content, not prizes) to get people (casual fans) more in tuned with this event. Someone contact this principal (Bruce Bundy) and see if he's willing to give an interview: news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19860128&id=XLdjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BeEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5275,6299233 i'd love to hear his current take on the cards compared to todays violent video games and if he would still ban the cards today based on that comparison. And what happened at retail? i remember the lines outside hallmark stores for the 3rd series of Beanie Babies. How often did gas station attendants have to restock packs? What about 7-11? I'd like to see articles like the one below converted in video format with all the players of yesteryear reflecting back on that time period. articles.latimes.com/1986-05-23/news/vw-23549_1_garbage-pail-kids-cards"I put them all over my mom's car and got grounded for a week," i wanna see the kids who did this interviewed!! also more details on this: "Xavier Roberts, the artist creator of Cabbage Patch Kids, is said to be "furious." He is suing Topps for copyright infringement, according to Roger Schlaifer, president of Schlaifer Nance & Co., an Atlanta firm that negotiates licenses for Original Appalachian Artworks, makers of Cabbage Patch Kids" and how it has affected gpk's since 1985-1987 history/commentary really should be like 75% of the film's content. Maybe it will be, it's really not clear from the video or description. I'm not knocking any artists with this, just wondering what is going on inside the head of an old 80's collector and what motivates them. Yes, Mark is a great collector and he has an incredible collection. |
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Dec 8, 2013 10:14:39 GMT -5
1985-1987 history/commentary really should be like 75% of the film's content. Maybe it will be, it's really not clear from the video or description. Right, i wish they'd expand on that. Maybe mark can ask the producer of the film to make an account and explain the documentary in more detail and get us excited about what we can expect... 75% sounds about right, with the rest of the film focusing on the present day state of gpks. |
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 8, 2013 17:03:40 GMT -5
I agree with what you guys are saying, but how do you know the film is not gonna focus on 80s GPK? Like, the first paragraph of the kickstarter mentions having interviews with Pound, Bunk, Lynch, Spiegelman, Newgarden etc. Plus in the video it seems to talk strictly about the 80s GPK and some people's experiences with them. Just confusing now with the conflicting information. Because the kickstarter and video is one way, and the comments here are like completely in the other direction.
About the prizes, I don't really care too much about them. The amount I pledged was really a donation. I like that I would get a DVD and my name in the credits. The book seems cool, but I don't really care about the cards cause I am not a card collector anymore. I think there should be some tier adjustments though.
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Post by Cory on Dec 8, 2013 18:25:22 GMT -5
I agree with what you guys are saying, but how do you know the film is not gonna focus on 80s GPK? Like, the first paragraph of the kickstarter mentions having interviews with Pound, Bunk, Lynch, Spiegelman, Newgarden etc. Plus in the video it seems to talk strictly about the 80s GPK and some people's experiences with them. Just confusing now with the conflicting information. Because the kickstarter and video is one way, and the comments here are like completely in the other direction. About the prizes, I don't really care too much about them. The amount I pledged was really a donation. I like that I would get a DVD and my name in the credits. The book seems cool, but I don't really care about the cards cause I am not a card collector anymore. I think there should be some tier adjustments though. I was just looking for reasons why this thing isn't near 50% funded yet. The paragraph mentions all of those key 80's people, yet none of them are in the video or really mentioned much...which is what I was referring to, it's all post 80's contributors with a few collectors. I think the video is good and entertaining, but would the video be better served to explain what info will be presented, maybe an outline posted, a second video in an update? I don't know, it sucks that it's only 17% funded. There really isn't much you can do with the prizes. The majority of it has to be new, unless you could have someone donate compelling OS items to give away. That's a double donation process though. |
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Post by BarrenAARON on Dec 8, 2013 19:45:22 GMT -5
I donated $100 the first day, because I think the concept/idea is excellent, and I really like the caricature driven artist cards.
Even if the Kickstarter pledge-drive doesn't pan out, I'm sure the movie will be created somehow, someway. I do know that Amazon (for payment processing) requires a full-blown proposal, even for a program to be accepted; so the doc-makers had to come up with an initial teaser trailer to 'sell' the idea; so they were able to film pretty much anything/anyone local to NY and the surrounding area, and the crew resides outside of Philly, hence the filming at the Philly Show. So they weren't able to include heavy 80's coverage just yet, but plan to. I agree with Cory, I'd like an 80's heavy investigative reporting type documentary. I'm not as interested in hearing people's experiences as much as I would coverage on the backstory, freelance artists, Topps, Mark Newgarden, etc, for both the 80's and newer renditions. The artwork process, legal issues, coverage when GPK's shite hit the fan ... I don't want it to be VH1 behind the scene, buuut... riveting.
Some of the higher pledge prizes feel outdated, like the OSAKA POP*STAR material, etc. And the anime Kickstarter programs I've experienced get funded extremely fast, so seeing a much slower crawl is disheartening; I'm actually surprised there aren't 75,000 fans who don't donate $1ea for pure nostalgic reasons and purposes. I do know that 'stretch' goals for other programs are more customer-facing for fan-appreciation ... like added commentary, art book, etc, so you feel if you donated at a certain level, you'd get additional items as the goals were met, sort of like video game limited edition pre-order box sets, the more pre-orders, the more swag in the long run.
I really hope the fundraiser is fully funded; and that they're able to film at the C2E2 in Chicago and other places next year; I seeing the old and new artists on screen would be pretty kickarse; and who knows, I'd luv a bit of GPK screen time!
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Post by PunkRotten on Dec 8, 2013 19:50:19 GMT -5
I agree with what you guys are saying, but how do you know the film is not gonna focus on 80s GPK? Like, the first paragraph of the kickstarter mentions having interviews with Pound, Bunk, Lynch, Spiegelman, Newgarden etc. Plus in the video it seems to talk strictly about the 80s GPK and some people's experiences with them. Just confusing now with the conflicting information. Because the kickstarter and video is one way, and the comments here are like completely in the other direction. About the prizes, I don't really care too much about them. The amount I pledged was really a donation. I like that I would get a DVD and my name in the credits. The book seems cool, but I don't really care about the cards cause I am not a card collector anymore. I think there should be some tier adjustments though. I was just looking for reasons why this thing isn't near 50% funded yet. The paragraph mentions all of those key 80's people, yet none of them are in the video or really mentioned much...which is what I was referring to, it's all post 80's contributors with a few collectors. I think the video is good and entertaining, but would the video be better served to explain what info will be presented, maybe an outline posted, a second video in an update? I don't know, it sucks that it's only 17% funded. There really isn't much you can do with the prizes. The majority of it has to be new, unless you could have someone donate compelling OS items to give away. That's a double donation process though. Gotcha. That makes a whole lot of sense now. And I agree 100% with it. |
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Post by Joe Simko on Dec 9, 2013 11:12:42 GMT -5
All valid points in this thread. Appreciating everyones support who has either pledged to this campaign or simply help spread the word. So everyone knows, all of the crew working to get this film produced has the same goal in mind to showcase the GPK history through stories by the original creators and artists. Yes, there will be a bit of the next gen guys, but certainly the main thrust of the film will be the 1980’s origins, history, controversy, court case, etc. Also discussed will be early dramas that are unknown to public, and GPK projects that were never realized during the 80’s. (Yes, there was supposed to be an even better, way cooler cartoon than the one that was made) It will definitely not be a VH1 “I love the Garbage Pail Kids” special. The trailer features the new crew, but that is because we were available during the Allentown card show, and the production studio just happened to be at same location making a very convenient filming plan to get a trailer made. We did not want to bring in Pound, Spiegelman and the rest of the first gang until we were certain this thing is truly green lit. That being said, the veteran artists know of the film and want to tell their story. And yes, the fans and collectors will have a special place in this film and will be heard as well. Campaign timing is always tricky, but ultimately now was the time to launch it. The goal is for a 30th anniversary release, and with 2015 creeping up, that gives us 1 year and maybe a month or 2 worth of solid filming. We have a facebook page here: www.facebook.com/30yearsofgarbage that has consistent updates, with press coverage from various review sites. We are hitting up many, many outlets daily to break beyond the GPK collector world. Adam Goldberg, creator of the Goldbergs show on abc has joined as co-producer, and Osaka Popstar will be writing an original Garbage Pail Kids song. Even with these great supporters, a USA Today mention, IMDB, and plenty of film site write-ups about the GPK doc. we still need help with the green stuff. Unfortunately the green stuff needed is not snot slime. Oh how I wish it were that easy. Also note, we are asking anyone who has photos of themselves from the 1980’s with GPK memorabilia to please post on our fb page. We would love to include your pics in the film. Thanks again to everyone here helping out! |
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Post by Game8 on Dec 9, 2013 11:49:46 GMT -5
I pledge 100$.
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Post by damien308 on Dec 17, 2013 0:18:26 GMT -5
it's gone up a bit in the past week , but i just cant see this reaching the goal . pretty sad that only just over 200 people have contributed. i realy thought that there would be more hardcore fans contributing to this . i know theres alot more then 200 people out there that love gpk's .
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Post by Edmasta on Dec 17, 2013 3:20:10 GMT -5
That Teaser Video is great!
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Post by Joe Simko on Dec 19, 2013 12:40:13 GMT -5
There's plenty of other kickstarter projects running their campaign over the holiday season and meeting their goal. We can do the same. Word has definitely spread beyond the GPK bubble. But ultimately the die-hard fans are the ones who will help make this happen. This story is for them and who will also be spotlighted in the film. There's still time. Here's a link to the latest update on the kickstarter page about the back story on how this project got started, and more... kck.st/JLRaT0 |
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Post by Game8 on Dec 19, 2013 13:39:31 GMT -5
With only 17 days left it aint looking good.
I'm willing to pledge another 100$ (so 200$ Total)
I know it aint mutch but hope it helps a bit.
Good luck
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Post by abandonedandy on Dec 19, 2013 14:30:05 GMT -5
I think a lot of people (myself included) are waiting to contribute until after our holiday shopping is done.
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Post by Artful Dodger on Dec 20, 2013 9:18:35 GMT -5
Just pledged!
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Post by Nocturnus on Dec 20, 2013 9:41:50 GMT -5
Oh man we need this guy to pony up about $60,000.  I know he's worth it, that greedy bastard. |
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Post by Glock on Dec 20, 2013 11:24:34 GMT -5
I think a lot of people (myself included) are waiting to contribute until after our holiday shopping is done. They won't charge anything on your card unless the goal is reached.. Pledge away! |
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Post by stkmw02 on Dec 20, 2013 23:51:31 GMT -5
Very true, Glock! And you are able to change your pledge level on Kickstarter... so you can always pledge a little now and decide to reach for a higher perk before the deadline. The funds will only be withdrawn at the end of the Kickstarter campaign, and only if we reach our goal. (Think of it as a super awesome after-holiday present to yourself!)
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Post by Dxtc0187 on Dec 21, 2013 9:18:34 GMT -5
Very true, Glock! And you are able to change your pledge level on Kickstarter... so you can always pledge a little now and decide to reach for a higher perk before the deadline. The funds will only be withdrawn at the end of the Kickstarter campaign, and only if we reach our goal. (Think of it as a super awesome after-holiday present to yourself!) I like the concept and I pledged I read the email updates when I get them and I like that you got Goldberg I love his show alot I have one critism though why not spend some more time here letting people know where your at with this project? I'm sure more people would be interested here if they knew a little more of what you've got going at this point it's great to go to Kickstarter and read it but there is no interaction at all with you guys. I'm sure that some are sceptical about this project fearing that you'll just interview some to bit hack from Decatur, IL instead of searching out people with legendary collections like Cory and many other here. I personally want to see more love for the people who have really kept this brand going and it isn't Topps. I think you need to come to C2E2 if this project is a go and Meet with UG members people who live and to some extent die with this brand. On a side note I like that your putting it on dvd but will you be releasing it on itunes if you get funding? It's great to have a dvd but I'd really like to have where I can watch it on my Ipad or iphone when I'm at work. |
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For some reason the project doesn't grab my attention, maybe because like you said the focus appears to be in the present, and not the past, which is less tangible. A book would be cool to make with the same information, interviews, and photos of artwork, sketches, etc. I also am biased against Kickstarter. Many projects do not deliver and people try getting refunds after lengthy delays. I am not saying this would happen with the project at all, just that it is another barrier for me personally. 
Really cool box. I wish they had the Nasty Nick box too though 
Really cool box. I wish they had the Nasty Nick box too though