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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 6, 2018 10:49:34 GMT -5
OMG, I think you're right. Look at the checkered background on Sumo Sid: www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Garbage-Pail-Kids-Stickers-Glossy-83b-Sumo-Sid-PSA-10-GEM-MINT/362374157913?hash=item545f2ed659:g:tykAAOSwucVbOqlyAlso, look at the ghost "double" die-cutting on Mixed Up Mitch: www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Garbage-Pail-Kids-Stickers-Glossy-81b-Mixed-Up-Mitch-PSA-10-GEM-MINT/372355476006?hash=item56b21daa26:g:SJUAAOSwvBpbOqcUThese conditions or issues are exactly like the ones I saw on that batch of counterfeit cards I had. I know those cards were counterfeit because the colors were off, the card stock was different, some were miscut, and some had ghost "double" die-cutting and checkered backgrounds from poor printing. So these cards Probstein is selling definitely look fake. Probstein sells on consignment, and doesn't deal just in GPKs, so he may not even know there's a problem. Also, PSA certified them, so why would Probstein be suspicious? But I can't believe PSA certified these obvious fakes. Great eye, antiqueman! Also, I wonder if the guy who bought my lot of fakes sumbitted them to PSA and then got Probstein to list them for him. It would give him some anonymity and protection from ebay if this is ever exposed. I'm not saying it's my buyer, but who knows? It's possible. Anyway, this is wild and also scary. We need to be very careful about what we're buying. Antiqueman, I know you've been burned before and are sensitive to this possibility. Thank you for bringing it our attention! Thanks man. They’re interesting right? And you are so right I’m crazy careful. He has a lot of them. I don’t understand PSA slipping like that... Someone very cool gave me a few fakes to compare lol you rule!! You're very welcome and I'm still keeping my eye open for that Misfit Manny you need!
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 6, 2018 10:50:58 GMT -5
Thanks man. They’re interesting right? And you are so right I’m crazy careful. He has a lot of them. I don’t understand PSA slipping like that... Someone very cool gave me a few fakes to compare lol you rule!! You're very welcome and I'm still keeping my eye open for that Misfit Manny you need! Thank you I’m impressed with how hard they are to find!!
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 6, 2018 10:52:10 GMT -5
What's even crazier is that these say "glossy" but are matte! I'm not about to do anything, but just a thought: should someone say something to Probstein? He could get in trouble for this, couldn't he? Also, I know the name and address of my counterfeits buyer. Perhaps Probstein could verify that it's the same guy. Again, I'm not taking any action, just thinking out loud.
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 6, 2018 10:59:00 GMT -5
You're very welcome and I'm still keeping my eye open for that Misfit Manny you need! Thank you I’m impressed with how hard they are to find!! Yeah, it is a bit insane. I've seen plenty of others get listed from that set, but not Misfit Manny. It's like the gold Flo-Worm from the 80s set. Only one was ever listed on ebay. WTH??
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 6, 2018 11:39:33 GMT -5
Thank you I’m impressed with how hard they are to find!! Yeah, it is a bit insane. I've seen plenty of others get listed from that set, but not Misfit Manny. It's like the gold Flo-Worm from the 80s set. Only one was ever listed on ebay. WTH?? Makes ya happier to have one that’s so desirable or whatnot...
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Post by billo on Jul 6, 2018 17:35:10 GMT -5
I'm not about to do anything, but just a thought: should someone say something to Probstein? He could get in trouble for this, couldn't he? Also, I know the name and address of my counterfeits buyer. Perhaps Probstein could verify that it's the same guy. Again, I'm not taking any action, just thinking out loud. This isn't the first time Probstein has listed PSA counterfeit "gems". I believe he has been contacted about it in the past and doesn't care.
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 6, 2018 17:37:11 GMT -5
I'm not about to do anything, but just a thought: should someone say something to Probstein? He could get in trouble for this, couldn't he? Also, I know the name and address of my counterfeits buyer. Perhaps Probstein could verify that it's the same guy. Again, I'm not taking any action, just thinking out loud. This isn't the first time Probstein has listed PSA counterfeit "gems". I believe he has been contacted about it in the past and doesn't care. I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. Probstein is on his own then. But now I'm wondering whether the proofs I recently purchased from him are legit!
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 7, 2018 10:31:48 GMT -5
What's even crazier is that these say "glossy" but are matte! I'm not about to do anything, but just a thought: should someone say something to Probstein? He could get in trouble for this, couldn't he? Also, I know the name and address of my counterfeits buyer. Perhaps Probstein could verify that it's the same guy. Again, I'm not taking any action, just thinking out loud. Now that I look at those PSA cards again, they were certified a while ago. The PSA numbers are old, and there is no hologram on the label. These couldn't be my counterfeit buyer's cards, because I sold them only a few months ago.
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Post by creamedkeith on Jul 10, 2018 14:02:36 GMT -5
This isn't the first time Probstein has listed PSA counterfeit "gems". I believe he has been contacted about it in the past and doesn't care. I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. Probstein is on his own then. But now I'm wondering whether the proofs I recently purchased from him are legit! I wouldn't worry about your proofs. I've bought a few from him and they, and the COAs, look legit. The PSAs are another story. He sells thousands of pieces of memorabilia, so I don't think he's concerned with inspecting the cards in the slabs. It comes down to PSA and their integrity, which I've been questioning a lot lately. I've seen people leave negative feedback for a graded card, as if the seller has something to do with the subjective grade. I just don't trust PSA as much as I used to. As much as I don't fault a seller for selling a pre-graded card that might be fake, it might be nice for them to at least mention the possible mistake. But hey, that's probably asking too much...kind of like those prices!
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 10, 2018 14:13:45 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. Probstein is on his own then. But now I'm wondering whether the proofs I recently purchased from him are legit! I wouldn't worry about your proofs. I've bought a few from him and they, and the COAs, look legit. The PSAs are another story. He sells thousands of pieces of memorabilia, so I don't think he's concerned with inspecting the cards in the slabs. It comes down to PSA and their integrity, which I've been questioning a lot lately. I've seen people leave negative feedback for a graded card, as if the seller has something to do with the subjective grade. I just don't trust PSA as much as I used to. As much as I don't fault a seller for selling a pre-graded card that might be fake, it might be nice for them to at least mention the possible mistake. But hey, that's probably asking too much...kind of like those prices! My proofs and the CoAs do look legit, so I will put it out of my mind. And you're right, this ultimately falls on PSA, not Probstein. I've always questioned their subjective grading, but now it sucks that I also have to question whether the cards are even real. I have some OS3 PSA-9 cards that I swear look perfectly centered. How were these not graded PSA-10? Because it wasn't 4SharpCorners or Thickwaistedtave submitting them? It's almost at the point where we should completely disregard the grade. And now with obvious fakes getting graded, maybe we should even disregard PSA entirely.
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 10, 2018 14:40:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about your proofs. I've bought a few from him and they, and the COAs, look legit. The PSAs are another story. He sells thousands of pieces of memorabilia, so I don't think he's concerned with inspecting the cards in the slabs. It comes down to PSA and their integrity, which I've been questioning a lot lately. I've seen people leave negative feedback for a graded card, as if the seller has something to do with the subjective grade. I just don't trust PSA as much as I used to. As much as I don't fault a seller for selling a pre-graded card that might be fake, it might be nice for them to at least mention the possible mistake. But hey, that's probably asking too much...kind of like those prices! My proofs and the CoAs do look legit, so I will put it out of my mind. And you're right, this ultimately falls on PSA, not Probstein. I've always questioned their subjective grading, but now it sucks that I also have to question whether the cards are even real. I have some OS3 PSA-9 cards that I swear look perfectly centered. How were these not graded PSA-10? Because it wasn't 4SharpCorners or Thickwaistedtave submitting them? It's almost at the point where we should completely disregard the grade. And now with obvious fakes getting graded, maybe we should even disregard PSA entirely. It’s very scary. We can’t let it affect the hobby like a lot of other collectibles. There are so many fakes that it’s insane. The more popular GPK get the more counterfeits will be there. I can’t even imagine how easy it would be to fake the cheep toys which I love...or when it’s time for me to buy my nasty nick... no way I’m getting a 10 yikes. Whew done
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 12, 2018 23:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 13, 2018 0:04:54 GMT -5
Actually it looks like he sold four of them. Those poor fools!
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 13, 2018 9:23:39 GMT -5
Actually it looks like he sold four of them. Those poor fools! That’s so sad. I reported about 7 or so of them when I found them but there’s so many I can’t do all of them it would take forever!! Pathetic for PSA when I saw them and knew right away because you helped me know the difference. Knowledge is power I feel very bad for those buyers~ also it’s not cool for our AWESOME hobby to just 💩 on collectors and basically sterling money from people. I’m not saying it’s the seller fault but come in man know about what you’re selling JESUS!!!
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Post by creamedkeith on Jul 13, 2018 9:44:15 GMT -5
On the flip side, I own one of the fakes (bought by accident). It's from my Cracked Jack collection, and it's a PSA 9 with a matte Live Mike puzzle piece. Although I know it's fake, it's cool to see the back variation. It was only like $10. But yeah, it's sucks that the fakes are floating around and some buyers don't know better.
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 13, 2018 9:48:52 GMT -5
On the flip side, I own one of the fakes (bought by accident). It's from my Cracked Jack collection, and it's a PSA 9 with a matte Live Mike puzzle piece. Although I know it's fake, it's cool to see the back variation. It was only like $10. But yeah, it's sucks that the fakes are floating around and some buyers don't know better. It is neat to own a fake or two. I’m glad you didn’t spend a lot and I’m sure even the fakes have some value to them. Awesome conversation pieces!!
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 13, 2018 10:15:37 GMT -5
Actually it looks like he sold four of them. Those poor fools! That’s so sad. I reported about 7 or so of them when I found them but there’s so many I can’t do all of them it would take forever!! Pathetic for PSA when I saw them and knew right away because you helped me know the difference. Knowledge is power I feel very bad for those buyers~ also it’s not cool for our AWESOME hobby to just 💩 on collectors and basically sterling money from people. I’m not saying it’s the seller fault but come in man know about what you’re selling JESUS!!! Sterling money lol 😝
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 13, 2018 11:32:20 GMT -5
Actually it looks like he sold four of them. Those poor fools! That’s so sad. I reported about 7 or so of them when I found them but there’s so many I can’t do all of them it would take forever!! Pathetic for PSA when I saw them and knew right away because you helped me know the difference. Knowledge is power I feel very bad for those buyers~ also it’s not cool for our AWESOME hobby to just 💩 on collectors and basically sterling money from people. I’m not saying it’s the seller fault but come in man know about what you’re selling JESUS!!! Yeah, I'm conflicted about my feelings towards Probstein in all of this. Ultimately, it was PSA that certified fake GPKs. But still, if people are contacting Probstein and telling him the cards are fake, then doesn't he have some responsibility in this too? He can hide behind plausible deniability (PSA certified them!) to get out of trouble with ebay, but I know as a buyer this hurts my trust in him. But then again, he sells thousands of items on consignment. Should he follow up every claim of counterfeit merchandise when the claims themselves may be bogus? Especially if PSA certified the cards? I don't know. I don't know what his moral obligation is. But I know that as a seller, I would look into it. I once sold a Drippy Dan chrome card that was certified by PSA. It was one of the reflectors or atomic refractors of whatever the hell they call them. Anyway, PSA certified the card as one kind of reflector or refractor when it was actually a different kind. I had no idea. But a buyer on ebay messaged me to tell me about the issue, and I took the time to look into it. I ended up changing my listing to make it clear that PSA mis-identified the type of card. It's hard to say, but I think that affected the final sale price. But at least I did the right thing. Now, I'm a small potatoes seller (less than 50 items listed at any given time), and I know GPKs (or at least know how to look into ones I don't know about). So maybe it's different for Probstein. But I took the time, and hopefully that shows prospective buyers that I can be trusted. Ultimately, I think this is going to hurt Probstein whether he knows these are fakes or not.
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 13, 2018 15:41:56 GMT -5
That’s so sad. I reported about 7 or so of them when I found them but there’s so many I can’t do all of them it would take forever!! Pathetic for PSA when I saw them and knew right away because you helped me know the difference. Knowledge is power I feel very bad for those buyers~ also it’s not cool for our AWESOME hobby to just 💩 on collectors and basically sterling money from people. I’m not saying it’s the seller fault but come in man know about what you’re selling JESUS!!! Yeah, I'm conflicted about my feelings towards Probstein in all of this. Ultimately, it was PSA that certified fake GPKs. But still, if people are contacting Probstein and telling him the cards are fake, then doesn't he have some responsibility in this too? He can hide behind plausible deniability (PSA certified them!) to get out of trouble with ebay, but I know as a buyer this hurts my trust in him. But then again, he sells thousands of items on consignment. Should he follow up every claim of counterfeit merchandise when the claims themselves may be bogus? Especially if PSA certified the cards? I don't know. I don't know what his moral obligation is. But I know that as a seller, I would look into it. I once sold a Drippy Dan chrome card that was certified by PSA. It was one of the reflectors or atomic refractors of whatever the hell they call them. Anyway, PSA certified the card as one kind of reflector or refractor when it was actually a different kind. I had no idea. But a buyer on ebay messaged me to tell me about the issue, and I took the time to look into it. I ended up changing my listing to make it clear that PSA mis-identified the type of card. It's hard to say, but I think that affected the final sale price. But at least I did the right thing. Now, I'm a small potatoes seller (less than 50 items listed at any given time), and I know GPKs (or at least know how to look into ones I don't know about). So maybe it's different for Probstein. But I took the time, and hopefully that shows prospective buyers that I can be trusted. Ultimately, I think this is going to hurt Probstein whether he knows these are fakes or not. What’s your ebay name I want to check your store out? 🤯
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 13, 2018 16:13:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm conflicted about my feelings towards Probstein in all of this. Ultimately, it was PSA that certified fake GPKs. But still, if people are contacting Probstein and telling him the cards are fake, then doesn't he have some responsibility in this too? He can hide behind plausible deniability (PSA certified them!) to get out of trouble with ebay, but I know as a buyer this hurts my trust in him. But then again, he sells thousands of items on consignment. Should he follow up every claim of counterfeit merchandise when the claims themselves may be bogus? Especially if PSA certified the cards? I don't know. I don't know what his moral obligation is. But I know that as a seller, I would look into it. I once sold a Drippy Dan chrome card that was certified by PSA. It was one of the reflectors or atomic refractors of whatever the hell they call them. Anyway, PSA certified the card as one kind of reflector or refractor when it was actually a different kind. I had no idea. But a buyer on ebay messaged me to tell me about the issue, and I took the time to look into it. I ended up changing my listing to make it clear that PSA mis-identified the type of card. It's hard to say, but I think that affected the final sale price. But at least I did the right thing. Now, I'm a small potatoes seller (less than 50 items listed at any given time), and I know GPKs (or at least know how to look into ones I don't know about). So maybe it's different for Probstein. But I took the time, and hopefully that shows prospective buyers that I can be trusted. Ultimately, I think this is going to hurt Probstein whether he knows these are fakes or not. What’s your ebay name I want to check your store out? 🤯 I sent you a PM.
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 14, 2018 19:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by antiqueman98 on Jul 14, 2018 21:18:18 GMT -5
Interesting fake that’s crazy!!
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Post by seymourbarf on Jul 14, 2018 21:22:03 GMT -5
Interesting fake that’s crazy!! I actually would buy a fake sheet if it looked like the real thing and were cheap. But this one is in rough shape.
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