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Post by CAPLOX on Mar 11, 2013 23:20:43 GMT -5
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on Mar 19, 2013 10:41:57 GMT -5
I only reference the black line since this kind of box means it wasn't a return from the retail store. I don't think that the line has any bearing to whether or not I could pull the card. I was getting at should I try to get another box to open and not tamper with a true original OS 5 box. Black line is returned from distributor not specifically stores that's why you run across cases marked that way. the distributor returned all excessive product. which coulb be anything from a single box to multiple cases.
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on Mar 19, 2013 11:11:36 GMT -5
Like Dxtc said, they probably reused a roller. I really don't know how cards were printed back then. Dxtc, you know proofs more than any, do you know how the proofs and the rollers went together to print the card? To me it sounds like the same thing as putting your wet finger on a paper towel roll. The more towels you pull off the roll, the smaller the wet finger mark gets until eventually there is a dry paper towel. At least that's how the OF vs the 10 makes sense to me. If you look at the tails on the F on my cards, they are not as detailed as the 10 portion which would make sense that they were the first part of the marking to run out? Unforutnetly there are numerous proofs on acetates they take a sheet of acetate print one color on it after printing the other colors on to the card stock and attach the overlay to see what it looks like adding that color. a color key which is just a fancier acetate is a similar process but each color that makes up the card is on a seperate acetate sheet. 4 color acetate has all fro colors on 1 acetate sheet. PLEASE NOT TOPPS DID NOT ALWAYS LABEL THESE CORRECTLY COMIG FROM THE VAULT. GO FIGURE. There is also 2-3 color proofs sets that show the final card with all color and minus certain colors to help the printing process(only currently seen in os1). Then there was final proofs that show the final image on card stock replaced by slick stock proofs or awhile which prints the final image on a piece of plastic. Black and white proofs show where the light and dark areas of the image will be. Negatives are used witha high powered light to etch the plate so it can absorb the ink for printing. Black and white acetates are used for determining placement of name bar peel here and such over the image. completed card proof is when they start the printing process probably first off the machine. Unscored is the completed card pre die cut. match prints are the completed image on photo paper to show the colors in lue of acetates its cheaper and comes off of a i believe a ink jet printer. i'm sure i'm forgetting some but damn there are alot! the proof would more than likely not have these issues as everything would have been new so the card would get the approval to proceed. Thus causing such an error to not occur. However there are intresting proof cards that have no name probably because a name was not decided on until very late in the process. Anyway original roller worn out replaced with 1986 topps baseball yellow roller. I will say one more thing i amy be wrong on some of the proofs as new ones are bound to turn up.
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Post by Artful Dodger on Mar 19, 2013 12:33:15 GMT -5
yea there are tons of proofs and different types released for each series (and im sure topps changes the process each series too). for instance, for OS2, topps has only released he proofs with blank backs. but for OS1, they have released tons of proofs.
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Post by Dirty dog on Mar 19, 2013 17:26:47 GMT -5
Wow that's quite a process, thanks for sharing. So I wonder how big the rollers were? From what I've seen, a card is usually on a full uncut sheet about 2-3 times give or take so if the roller covered a whole sheet in one turn that would explain the why I got 3 OF's and 2 non errors out of the same box.
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Post by Dirty dog on Apr 19, 2013 22:09:09 GMT -5
Got them back today! PSA would not put "error" on the label. I noticed it was not on the label before they shipped them back to me and I asked them to change it before they sent them back and here's the response I got: "when I spoke with our Spec department they advised me that they cannot designate the three Repaired Rex’s as error cards simply because we don’t recognize the errors as a variety at this time" Hopefully they can recognize the error at some point but the error speaks for itself so it's not that big of a deal to me. I was thinking 8's at the best so the fact that all 3 graded that well is nice to see. I'm pretty sure these are the only errors in population. As for any Rex's in population, there are no 9's and only three 10's. I have one of the 10's and it's not an error but I don't know about the other two. Comparison between the OF 8 and a Gem MT
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on Apr 19, 2013 22:49:59 GMT -5
Congrats on the scores Dirty hopefully they'll recognize the error soon.
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Post by Dirty dog on May 17, 2013 8:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on May 17, 2013 9:43:50 GMT -5
Don your selling your outfield error!
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Post by wastinjasonbasin on May 31, 2013 6:19:57 GMT -5
The outfield error has a nice ring to it good work dxtc. Wow i rarely compliment you. Dick there we go!
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Post by dnh7722 on May 31, 2013 9:15:16 GMT -5
Don your selling your outfield error! I had 3 and that was the worst of them. Still a really solid card, and the OF looked great. Think i took an offer of $100 for it. Currently working aggressively on some imperial toys, ANS, and a PSA 8+ set of OS1 for each: Glossy, matte, and BGS, and the submission fees are leaving me with little more to eat than Ramen noodles lately. Many thanks to Travis for hooking me up on some nice trades to keep the ANS stuff under control. Man, i need to focus on one thing at a time.
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Post by TRAVIS on May 31, 2013 17:57:00 GMT -5
Don your selling your outfield error! I had 3 and that was the worst of them. Still a really solid card, and the OF looked great. Think i took an offer of $100 for it. Currently working aggressively on some imperial toys, ANS, and a PSA 8+ set of OS1 for each: Glossy, matte, and BGS, and the submission fees are leaving me with little more to eat than Ramen noodles lately. Many thanks to Travis for hooking me up on some nice trades to keep the ANS stuff under control. Man, i need to focus on one thing at a time. Don is silently one of the most generous and resourceful people on this board. Anytime I can help this guy...I will.
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on May 31, 2013 20:44:05 GMT -5
Does PSA give the reasons why they deduct from the score? Would the OF, if not considered an official error, actually degrade the score like other printing blemishes could?
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Post by dnh7722 on May 31, 2013 21:46:48 GMT -5
Does PSA give the reasons why they deduct from the score? Would the OF, if not considered an official error, actually degrade the score like other printing blemishes could? PSA doesnt give explanations (one thing i like about BGS though they are nearly impossible to get top marks on anything), and doesnt designate it as an "official error" from what i understand. Dont take this as gospel, but I dont think they ding you on condition for it being there.
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Post by Dirty dog on May 31, 2013 22:29:11 GMT -5
Don's right, PSA doesn't give you reasons why a specific card got the grade it did. They do however have a grading standards page that explains minimum requirements and such. www.psacard.com/Services/PSAGradingStandards/It would be nice if they sent you a sheet explaining why a card was downgraded just so you know but personally I like PSA's labels not having sub grades. That was one thing that turned me off from BGS. As for the OF, I'm not really sure if the cards would have graded higher without it. I doubt it but who knows?
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Post by dnh7722 on Jun 2, 2013 17:50:05 GMT -5
Nice! Bet you pull upwards of 2 bills off that!
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Post by Dirty dog on Jul 30, 2013 9:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by dnh7722 on Jul 30, 2013 13:14:31 GMT -5
Wish i would have seen this about an hour ago cuz i bought it for $120 and thought i got a steal! ARGH!!!!!! Talk about false advertisement. "REPAIRED REX RARE #10 GREEN GHOST ERROR GPK" I Emailed him to confirm the green marks before i paid, so gonna hold off paying unless he can provide photo evidence.
Thanks for looking out Dog.
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Post by Dirty dog on Jul 30, 2013 18:32:57 GMT -5
No problem, let us know how it goes.
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Post by czarcher on Jul 30, 2013 21:31:39 GMT -5
Wish i would have seen this about an hour ago cuz i bought it for $120 and thought i got a steal! ARGH!!!!!! Talk about false advertisement. "REPAIRED REX RARE #10 GREEN GHOST ERROR GPK" Almost! Almooooost.
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Post by 1q2w3e on Jul 31, 2013 23:35:57 GMT -5
I messaged the seller about 6 hours before the auction asking for a close up of the green 10/OF, he said he would try to send pics when he got home "if there was time". Never heard from him, so did not bid. Red flag for me that there is no pic of the error despite the auction heading clearly stating what it was.
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Post by czarcher on Aug 1, 2013 1:34:33 GMT -5
I messaged the seller about 6 hours before the auction asking for a close up of the green 10/OF, he said he would try to send pics when he got home "if there was time". Never heard from him, so did not bid. Red flag for me that there is no pic of the error despite the auction heading clearly stating what it was. Scam?
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Post by dnh7722 on Aug 1, 2013 10:06:01 GMT -5
I am supposed to call him today to discuss. From our brief correspondence, it sounds like it may have some green marks in line with where the 10 typically is, but further down on the card though he didn't directly state that in the email. Ill post an update after i talk to him. Woulda been a sweet pickup, and my first thought was that it wasnt as advertised when i got the email stating i wont it at that price.
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Post by Dirty dog on Aug 1, 2013 12:08:03 GMT -5
Yeah it was just too hard to tell from the small picture in the listing. It didn't look like it had it which is why I messaged the seller in the first place.
Hopefully they don't want you to keep it if it's just a print mark. I would be curious what it looks like. If it did in fact have the OF that would be a great buy for you.
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Post by dnh7722 on Aug 1, 2013 21:10:50 GMT -5
Was some green printing error spot, but he was pretty cool about it and is canceling it. Surprisingly, After talking w/ him on the phone I actually believe he knows nothing about GPK and he wasnt directly trying to be deceptive.
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Post by crustbolt on Jul 13, 2014 21:41:15 GMT -5
Pretty lucky day for me. I lost my ID, credit card, and TRU Rewards card (the most important of the three) on a 45min bicycle ride. Rushed home to verify that I had not simply left them there, backtracked and fortunately found them sprawled out in the road half way through town. Decided to visit my comic shop and... Sifted through a few boxes of GPK at my LCS and found three Duncan Spirals! One has an extra error: A small ring near the S. It seems to be the same sort of printing type as the spiral.
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Post by billo on Jul 13, 2014 21:53:26 GMT -5
Nice score!, 3 duncan spirals, found your lost wallet and credit card... Good day! The circle near the "S" is a common printing error found through out the os run .
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Post by crustbolt on Jul 13, 2014 22:05:53 GMT -5
Man, I thought I had a Duncan Spiral Superfractor
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Post by Cory on Jul 14, 2014 9:18:36 GMT -5
Pretty lucky day for me. I lost my ID, credit card, and TRU Rewards card (the most important of the three) on a 45min bicycle ride. Rushed home to verify that I had not simply left them there, backtracked and fortunately found them sprawled out in the road half way through town. Decided to visit my comic shop and... Sifted through a few boxes of GPK at my LCS and found three Duncan Spirals! One has an extra error: A small ring near the S. It seems to be the same sort of printing type as the spiral. Those are great!
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Post by onemanwolfpack on May 6, 2015 3:27:23 GMT -5
Was stoked to find I have a green 10/of Rex out of the 20 I have. Should score pretty highly too. Should pay for the whole box when sold. I'll get a pic next time I. Near the phone.
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