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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 9:44:37 GMT -5
This is a shame I always thought there was something off with Travis but I never thought he was out to scam all of us. I bought this set from him when he first offered it so I only paid $25 I think it was but its not this set I am concerned about being fake. Its the Garbage can Dan cards he had for sale garbagepailkids.proboards.com/thread/15030/garbage-dan-cards-saleI bought both variations from him now I wonder if they are even originals. They are pretty tough to come by and he had many of them for sale.  and a s**ty sidenote, i happen to have recently found out he had a bountiful supply of those Dan card. which as well makes me wonder about the originality as well. same with my smilin stan promo that he and alvin were giving away. i'm not sure if i could tell it's a fake or not, without beating it up which i don't want to do Hey Fermentis, I seriously doubt the Stan card is a bootleg. Why print them up then give them away? I think Topps just wanted to be cool and supply them. They'd have needed to send a ton though because of all of the requests. I wish I would have stepped up and did the Stan redemption. I didn't because 1) I don't have as much time as I did before and 2) I'm not in every GPK community (see back to #1). The thing that would make the Stan card a problem is if he was selling them, when he should have been giving them away. I haven't heard anyone complain about that. |
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Apr 7, 2015 9:56:56 GMT -5
The thing that would make the Stan card a problem is if he was selling them, when he should have been giving them away. I haven't heard anyone complain about that.  2 people there, probably more if we inquire so ya... those promos he was getting, were being used to build up his collection... and he was using their perceived value to get similar items of the same value in return... Edit> 3 people (here he was caught trying to trade his stan lee promo card for one of the rare yellow border comic bonus cards, notice the perceived value he puts on the 2 cards to enable the trade.  |
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Post by JasonDecay on Apr 7, 2015 12:29:55 GMT -5
Like many people here, I have a Hundreds set from Travis ($24, early on) and am not so much worried about the cost of the thing as how it was represented to people. Regardless of how many were produced, which seems of great concern here, it would have been nice to know where they were coming from. Like having Alvin as a spokesperson for some other promos...was there no similar contact we could have known about at Hundreds?
And it is this part that seems very out of character from what I knew of Travis. Granted, I was only really involved in a handful of trades and sales with him here on the UG but went based on his feedback thread....which was pretty much flawless back when I started here. Hell, I pre-ordered some series from him at very reasonable prices. He legitimately did some good things here, giving out stuff from conventions and Topps. I don't know if he ever charged anyone more than shipping for the promos, so I can't speak to that.
My bigger question here is how does the feedback system fail so badly such that we now have people showing up now in droves to throw in negative comments (not just about the hundreds, based on the previous replies to this thread). And if there is a bigger story here, as eluded to by several, is there concern that the other feedback threads here should be in question? Was he just "too big to fail" on the UG and no one wanted to leave these negatives before now?
The UG has always been my safety net, the feedback system here gives me confidence when I haven't talked with someone prior to doing a deal. I present myself to people both on and off the UG by telling them to look me up here. I've never done someone wrong on purpose, and when someone is unhappy I always try to make it right.
Sorry...some of that was off topic, but I feel it might need to be part of a greater discussion somewhere in another thread if there really is more to this story.
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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 13:09:52 GMT -5
Like many people here, I have a Hundreds set from Travis ($24, early on) and am not so much worried about the cost of the thing as how it was represented to people. Regardless of how many were produced, which seems of great concern here, it would have been nice to know where they were coming from. Like having Alvin as a spokesperson for some other promos...was there no similar contact we could have known about at Hundreds? And it is this part that seems very out of character from what I knew of Travis. Granted, I was only really involved in a handful of trades and sales with him here on the UG but went based on his feedback thread....which was pretty much flawless back when I started here. Hell, I pre-ordered some series from him at very reasonable prices. He legitimately did some good things here, giving out stuff from conventions and Topps. I don't know if he ever charged anyone more than shipping for the promos, so I can't speak to that. My bigger question here is how does the feedback system fail so badly such that we now have people showing up now in droves to throw in negative comments (not just about the hundreds, based on the previous replies to this thread). And if there is a bigger story here, as eluded to by several, is there concern that the other feedback threads here should be in question? Was he just "too big to fail" on the UG and no one wanted to leave these negatives before now? The UG has always been my safety net, the feedback system here gives me confidence when I haven't talked with someone prior to doing a deal. I present myself to people both on and off the UG by telling them to look me up here. I've never done someone wrong on purpose, and when someone is unhappy I always try to make it right. Sorry...some of that was off topic, but I feel it might need to be part of a greater discussion somewhere in another thread if there really is more to this story. I don't think the feedback system failed necessarily. What happened here is he built his trust level up over the years. He was in every GPK community doing great things like sending people base sets for free, distributing promos, etc.. People had no reason to not take him at his word. Buyers of the product simply didn't realize they were fakes, they trusted they were authentic. How could they know? Nobody had seen them anywhere before and they were coming from just one source. There was nothing to compare them to to judge authenticity. For some reason, it just took quite a while to expose this specific thing. In the end the sets were delivered, people believed they were authentic and left positive feedback. This problem could happen anywhere thing are sold. We've seen it here before. A guy is awesome and then all of the sudden pulls some BS that catches you off guard. Bottom line, dealing with people on the internet is a huge crapshoot. Even the most trustworthy person could take your for a ride. It should be buyer beware at all times. Luckily most transactions are honest and completed. Unfortunately, nothing in this world is void of risk. Honestly, I still can't believe he would throw his reputation away like this for a few thousand bucks. I'm still waiting on someone to prove all of this info wrong. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 7, 2015 13:27:30 GMT -5
Like many people here, I have a Hundreds set from Travis ($24, early on) and am not so much worried about the cost of the thing as how it was represented to people. Regardless of how many were produced, which seems of great concern here, it would have been nice to know where they were coming from. Like having Alvin as a spokesperson for some other promos...was there no similar contact we could have known about at Hundreds? And it is this part that seems very out of character from what I knew of Travis. Granted, I was only really involved in a handful of trades and sales with him here on the UG but went based on his feedback thread....which was pretty much flawless back when I started here. Hell, I pre-ordered some series from him at very reasonable prices. He legitimately did some good things here, giving out stuff from conventions and Topps. I don't know if he ever charged anyone more than shipping for the promos, so I can't speak to that. My bigger question here is how does the feedback system fail so badly such that we now have people showing up now in droves to throw in negative comments (not just about the hundreds, based on the previous replies to this thread). And if there is a bigger story here, as eluded to by several, is there concern that the other feedback threads here should be in question? Was he just "too big to fail" on the UG and no one wanted to leave these negatives before now? The UG has always been my safety net, the feedback system here gives me confidence when I haven't talked with someone prior to doing a deal. I present myself to people both on and off the UG by telling them to look me up here. I've never done someone wrong on purpose, and when someone is unhappy I always try to make it right. Sorry...some of that was off topic, but I feel it might need to be part of a greater discussion somewhere in another thread if there really is more to this story. I don't think the feedback system failed necessarily. What happened here is he built his trust level up over the years. He was in every GPK community doing great things like sending people base sets for free, distributing promos, etc.. People had no reason to not take him at his word. Buyers of the product simply didn't realize they were fakes, they trusted they were authentic. How could they know? Nobody had seen them anywhere before and they were coming from just one source. There was nothing to compare them to to judge authenticity. For some reason, it just took quite a while to expose this specific thing. In the end the sets were delivered, people believed they were authentic and left positive feedback. This problem could happen anywhere thing are sold. We've seen it here before. A guy is awesome and then all of the sudden pulls some BS that catches you off guard. Bottom line, dealing with people on the internet is a huge crapshoot. Even the most trustworthy person could take your for a ride. It should be buyer beware at all times. Luckily most transactions are honest and completed. Unfortunately, nothing in this world is void of risk. Honestly, I still can't believe he would throw his reputation away like this for a few thousand bucks. I'm still waiting on someone to prove all of this info wrong. I totally agree, there is nothing wrong with the feedback system at all. People leave feedback according to how their particular transaction went down. |
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Post by JasonDecay on Apr 7, 2015 13:36:49 GMT -5
I don't think the feedback system failed necessarily. What happened here is he built his trust level up over the years. He was in every GPK community doing great things like sending people base sets for free, distributing promos, etc.. People had no reason to not take him at his word. Buyers of the product simply didn't realize they were fakes, they trusted they were authentic. How could they know? Nobody had seen them anywhere before and they were coming from just one source. There was nothing to compare them to to judge authenticity. For some reason, it just took quite a while to expose this specific thing. In the end the sets were delivered, people believed they were authentic and left positive feedback. This problem could happen anywhere thing are sold. We've seen it here before. A guy is awesome and then all of the sudden pulls some BS that catches you off guard. Bottom line, dealing with people on the internet is a huge crapshoot. Even the most trustworthy person could take your for a ride. It should be buyer beware at all times. Luckily most transactions are honest and completed. Unfortunately, nothing in this world is void of risk. Honestly, I still can't believe he would throw his reputation away like this for a few thousand bucks. I'm still waiting on someone to prove all of this info wrong. I totally agree, there is nothing wrong with the feedback system at all. People leave feedback according to how their particular transaction went down. Perhaps my statements are off a little. I don't think there is anything wrong with the feedback system...but perhaps people should be more willing to post their thoughts on the feedback threads in situations where they "get rubbed the wrong way" or "had a falling out" during a trade. It seems like there are people here who have held a negative view for a long time, and kept their feelings quiet. Had those views been known, perhaps the situation would not have gone on so long. Just an observation. |
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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 13:46:22 GMT -5
This is interesting. This is a conversation had by a member here and Travis. This member asked GREAT FUGGIN QUESTIONS about this set. Travis was in sell mode, kinda skirted the issue and said himself that there is a high probability that they are bootlegs. There is no evidence of Travis posting publicly the risk that it was a bootleg set. This would have went a long way with collectors, because Travis was right, people would have bought them anyway (not for as much though). However, some people wouldn't have. This is the problem. Misrepresentation. He did say he'd get a final verdict on their authenticity. Unfortunately, a final verdict was never communicated to our member and here we are today. Green is the UG Member Blue is Travis Seriously, props again to the UG member that asked the great questions and gave the proper advice for how he should handle distribution. Hi Travis, just got my promo yesterday. THANKS!!
I have a question though, does the guy making these sets actually work for the Hundreds?
I couldn't find any information on their website.
Could this guy just be making unsanctioned card sets?
Thanks
Hey,
It's seeming more and more likely that these might very well be unsanctioned...but I met the cat at Pasadena's D-Con and he is definitely "Hundreds-affiliated". I've been in contact with him ever since I went to the show and got his contact info. He certainly told me point blank that the company was doing the cards. I've been hounding and hounding (politely), but using the curved banner and there being no mention on the website or any other media outlet definitely seems peculiar.
In all honesty though, the sets are here, and they look great. I've paid $20 for much worse...lol... You see the collection thread post with the Garbage Pail Kids Adults with the A's and B's on the forum.... I think it's Caspers collection? It might just be something like that, but since they're done well at the price-point is acceptable. It's the GPK hobby--there's bootlegs EVERYWHERE. I'm not going to delve too much. I paid $20 for each Fan set from TCT....well $60 for the Dutch one from a UG member because I came late, and those are cards images I already own!--at least these are something different, you know?
What do you think? Thanks for the info.
I received the promo yesterday, again thanks!, but only TODAY just opened it  The card is pretty good condition. But its not a sticker, there is a line on the card to appear as a sticker and the back is in black/white.
I think the guy did a good job making it and I do look forward having the set.
I think it should just be better known that this really isn't a Hundreds set that was allowed by Topps.
It should be treated like the UG sets.. a set made in good quality for collectors.
That's all.Hey,
Just wanted to let you know that the set went out yesterday. I apologize for the slight delay on the shipping.
In regard to your last PM...I've had the promo card for a while, so I'm pretty familiar with the layout. In discussions with the guy, he always referred to them as The Hundreds "cards" and never as stickers, so I had no expectations that they would be stickers. The die-cut marking is on the artwork for the shirts and the key chains, so I think they just transferred it over as-is. Despite our suspicions, the problem with claiming the set as false at this point seems premature. When I met the guy, he said he was "Hundreds affiliated". He also told me that the set has an official release in October. How can the set have an official release if it isn't official?? The release is set for October.. so maybe they just aren't being advertised yet? I dunno.
It's all very weird to me, but I jumped on an opportunity to have more GPK swag and try to give the forum some exclusive stuff. If it turns out that they are bootleg.... that's gonna suck, but I KNOW we all would have bought them anyway. I sent him another e-mail asking him point blank--"Are these going to be an official Hundreds release, or did you just make your own set under the guise of the Hundreds previously released artwork?"--I'll let you know what he says.No update was sent to me.
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Post by dwillis123 on Apr 7, 2015 13:47:43 GMT -5
If any of you are "really upset" and feel like you need to quickly distance yourself from this "bootleg set", I'll take your shame away for 20$ I just don't feel there is enough $$ involved in this to be a scam. If there is any real $$ to be made on a sticker scam, why wouldn't have Travis just sold all those P4 promo cards he got instead of GIVING them away. Or hell make bns c or art variant bootlegs and just sell one or two for equal $$. I could be totally wrong, but I feel this is a misunderstanding that hurt someone's pride and became a bigger deal than it really was/is. I don't think Travis was lied to in this situation, it's the exact opposite. He created a market for these sets saying there were only 50 made and he had 25 for sale. I don't see the point in lying about something like that. Not to mention if he would lie about something so small like that then what else would he lie about? Actions speak louder then words and right now his actions are screaming guilty.. |
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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 13:48:25 GMT -5
I totally agree, there is nothing wrong with the feedback system at all. People leave feedback according to how their particular transaction went down. Perhaps my statements are off a little. I don't think there is anything wrong with the feedback system...but perhaps people should be more willing to post their thoughts on the feedback threads in situations where they "get rubbed the wrong way" or "had a falling out" during a trade. It seems like there are people here who have held a negative view for a long time, and kept their feelings quiet. Had those views been known, perhaps the situation would not have gone on so long. Just an observation. Yeah man. I know exactly what you're saying. People tend to shy from confrontation as a solo voice. It's hard to call someone out. You're putting yourself out there and people start to scrutinize and blame the victim. |
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Post by vendinbrendan83 on Apr 7, 2015 14:10:40 GMT -5
Issue is not selling bootleg product - its selling bootleg product for a high $ ($55 for 10 cards that are fake is a high price) and stating they are official.
if he stated they are official then it becomes a scam.
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Post by markbark35 on Apr 7, 2015 14:34:15 GMT -5
I'm Mark Bruce. I hate these forums and am not active and can't post pics. But victor will for me. I'll tell you he wasn't just giving the stan promo away. I can show you where for a yellow comic promo he had offered a 100s set AND s stan. He did this with more then one collector. I have all the proof any of you need. All the facebook groups came together in a mod chat to make this happen in the least dramatic way possible. Travis was a friend and this made me very very sad to uncover.
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Post by Keirmon on Apr 7, 2015 15:18:41 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. I think this is crazy first off, and second, I was at This D-Con in Pasadena with Travis (and others) when we met this "affiliated" guy. Both of them being in California, it only makes sense that they continue the conversation, so I didn't have any further communication, but I'm fairly confident that Travis did not make these card sets.
And why is no one giving any credit to the conversation that Cory posted between Travis and a UG member? He is obviously skeptical himself. It's because he never followed through with telling everyone?
I can definitely see where Travis went wrong on a couple things here, but you're really putting a man to the flames at high intensity for what seems like a giant misunderstanding. Not to mention, you've banned him so he can't respond?
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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 16:18:13 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. I think this is crazy first off, and second, I was at This D-Con in Pasadena with Travis (and others) when we met this "affiliated" guy. Both of them being in California, it only makes sense that they continue the conversation, so I didn't have any further communication, but I'm fairly confident that Travis did not make these card sets. And why is no one giving any credit to the conversation that Cory posted between Travis and a UG member? He is obviously skeptical himself. It's because he never followed through with telling everyone? I can definitely see where Travis went wrong on a couple things here, but you're really putting a man to the flames at high intensity for what seems like a giant misunderstanding. Not to mention, you've banned him so he can't respond? Hey Keir, I understand what you're saying. Travis has had many opportunites to respond elsewhere (This is like Day 4). Right now his actions when people ask about the situation are to unfriend them and ignore the guestion. There have been no shortages of ways to respond. The reason he's been banned in so many places is because he's purging his prior posts according to other community admins. Locking down his photobucket, etc.. I agree that there is skepticisim in his conversation, which is why I posted it. I want the other side of the story. I've been asking for someone to post something where Travis informed the buyer the cards weren't authentic. This is as close as I've come. He almost admits it but leaves that authentic door open and never follows through on the authenticity confirmation. You think there would be a post similar to the Garbage Can Dan bootleg cards, but there isn't. If I ever get something like that I'll post it for sure. |
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Post by dwillis123 on Apr 7, 2015 16:23:25 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. I think this is crazy first off, and second, I was at This D-Con in Pasadena with Travis (and others) when we met this "affiliated" guy. Both of them being in California, it only makes sense that they continue the conversation, so I didn't have any further communication, but I'm fairly confident that Travis did not make these card sets. And why is no one giving any credit to the conversation that Cory posted between Travis and a UG member? He is obviously skeptical himself. It's because he never followed through with telling everyone? I can definitely see where Travis went wrong on a couple things here, but you're really putting a man to the flames at high intensity for what seems like a giant misunderstanding. Not to mention, you've banned him so he can't respond? Travis is a member of multiple GPK groups on Facebook. He is aware of this situation and hasn't responded to anyone. He is unfriending anyone who messages him and reads the messages and doesn't respond. I know Travis is looked upon as a good person in this community but the truth is he lied to people and he knew what he was doing. Plain and simple. The evidence proves he knows he was selling fakes, even if he wasn't making them himself. Like I said earlier, actions speak louder then words. |
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Apr 7, 2015 17:10:07 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. I think this is crazy first off, and second, I was at This D-Con in Pasadena with Travis (and others) when we met this "affiliated" guy. Both of them being in California, What is the name of the supposed "hundreds" rep you and travis met at D-Con. What is his email address. I can definitely see where Travis went wrong on a couple things here, but you're really putting a man to the flames at high intensity for what seems like a giant misunderstanding. Travis wrote... There was no misunderstanding. Its April 2015. 1 1/2 years after he knew the cards were supposed to have been released. And yet, still, he marketed them as an officially sanctioned set ever since. I would suggest reading the previous pages to catch up.  |
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Post by Stinger on Apr 7, 2015 17:39:14 GMT -5
I'm glad GPK Detective is on the case!
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Post by markbark35 on Apr 7, 2015 19:01:15 GMT -5
He officially just came clean on my page you guys. If you want to read it go to the the thread on garbage pail kid marketplace page. Someone will post pics on here later tho I'm sure.
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Post by rusVan on Apr 7, 2015 19:06:56 GMT -5
Someone PLEASE post!
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Apr 7, 2015 19:11:22 GMT -5
Asking people to return the cards to him so he can resell them as a bootleg set, is like taking a time machine back to 2013 and pretending like this never happened.
he knowingly deceived people for almost 2 years. This should be punished to the 10th degree.
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Post by JasonDecay on Apr 7, 2015 19:11:47 GMT -5
Travis's statement on various FB groups...passing the word on here, this is unedited:
Listen everyone, I lied, I did. I wasn't totally upfront about the details regarding the authenticity of this set with the people who got it from me in this group and I apologize for that. I also didn't honestly divulge the amount of sets I had to offer. It's the timeless sales tactic of supply and demand but that doesn't excuse the behavior. I also did sell them for varying prices, to different people. All that said, I am not a bootlegging mastermind.
Long story, very short, I was in contact with someone from a convention years ago who represented himself as part of the Hundreds company and I used my affiliation with the GPKUG as an admin at the time to try to get the jump on the set and be somewhat of an ambassador by distributing the promo card out to spread awareness and excitement about a product I genuinely thought was coming. As I've told others, I didn't exactly ask for credentials when he said he would send me promo cards from free to distribute. I did it for the community, but of course I did it to be a better facilitator and a part of this hobby. I've always tried to help who I could here and on any other GPK entity I'm a part of without thought of direct reward as has been suggested. This is what was done for me when I entered the UG and the MP, and if that doesn't happen consistently, the hobby dies.
I've been quiet everywhere because no amount of back story without proof could defend against the people who initiated this campaign and who are motivated by a personal agenda that stretches well beyond the best interests of the people who've dealt with me regarding this set. That's why none of the questions or statements that are made by Love Eighties (Viktor), Dustin Willis or Dodger Manzini (the aforementioned two being blocked so I can't see them anyway) will be responded to after this post. I will however answer any questions/concerns from anyone else who actually cares about the truth or needs to reconcile their cost.
The conversation pictures posted above were posted by the admin on the UG after he was sent them. They are between myself and another UG member not long after receiving the promo cards/sets. This exchange was well before the suggested time frame of an October release date that I was under the impression was happening. I was obviously skeptical of their authenticity, but I was also in ‘sales mode’ during the conversation because I BOUGHT the sets from the other person and sold them at cost to the individuals on the UG that showed interest. As it stands today, I obviously know that there was no official set released from The Hundreds. I did not however, make the Hundreds set. I did not make any Garbage Can Dan cards. I did not make any P4 promo cards. I did not make any foreign cards. I did not read a bunch of messages and not respond. And I did not shoot JFK, although I'm sure that allegation is coming as well. I didn't do 90% of what's being said here, but most people are believing 100%.
I'm surprised at the sheer volume of people who I have helped and thought I was cool with, that would just instantly take the word of these guys without any real investigation with me personally....and that is the cause of me unfriending most of you. It has absolutely nothing to do with hiding or being guilty. People have posted they bought sets when they haven’t. At this point, it’s just a feeding frenzy of people loyal to the sharks. I’m not going to battle every little false statement made by each person because I don’t have that kind of time and it would be exhausting.
I am however completely understanding that certain individuals want refunds for purchasing something that they otherwise would not have if the details were clear, and I’m happy to do that and I owe it to you. This however comes with the expectation to me that you will ship the set and promo that I sold to you, back to me. I will cover the cost of this shipping 100% (in advance) and add it to whatever total that you paid for the set. Upon receipt of the set, I will refund you, immediately. As has been suggested by several people across the myriad of places this same post was made, and what is my belief as well, is that this is cool and still has value even though it should from this point on be known as bootleg, fan-made, unofficial...or whatever other synonym you choose to use. The promo card alone just sold by itself on eBay for $50 plus. I also contaced GeePeeKay.com and the set will reflect being unofficial there shortly. And for all TWO of you that have PM'd me since this started, I will be contacting you shortly, and anyone else that's interested in a refund, please message me directly.
Again, my sincerest apology to a community I hold dear and lost sight of amongst the parallels and refractors. I'm SORRY.
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Post by rusVan on Apr 7, 2015 19:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by Steve on Apr 7, 2015 19:49:07 GMT -5
The silence is classic!! Yea, I think a lot people were holding out hope for it to be a misunderstanding. It's even more of a shock to know it's true. Really sucks. |
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Post by Smetchlock Smomes on Apr 7, 2015 19:52:49 GMT -5
Whats important for people to know here is, that he can't name the person who sent him the promo cards or these unofficial sets. So his claim that it was a hundreds employee is just a smokescreen to make it appear that he was lied to.
3 Hundreds Employees have confirmed that they know nothing about this.
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Post by dwillis123 on Apr 7, 2015 19:53:57 GMT -5
I think it's funny how he's trying to turn this situation into Me, Viktor and Dodger having a grudge against him. He's trying to say that we aren't looking out for the community but trying to ruin his name. It's sad he can't just admit what he did without trying to throw some twist on it so he can get sympathy.
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Apr 7, 2015 20:01:42 GMT -5
Here is the sales pitch I received from Travis: The set was misrepresented to be limited in nature as produced by The Hundreds company. It is obvious someone scanned the original jumbos and Travis sold them as an officially produced set that was licensed by Topps. I just examined my set this morning and the print quality is nothing like an official card. Travis did the same thing here with the Garbage Can Dan Cards: garbagepailkids.proboards.com/thread/15030/garbage-dan-cards-sale He made a story espousing the limited origins of the set, but we know he had many of them printed by someone. We also know he was receiving official exclusive content in addition to the promos, and was using those items for trades and sales, assigning values to them. I remember Alvin (Adam Levine) asking for someone trusted in the community here to handle giving the promos out. And in response to Travis' admission of guilt, the agenda is to get this stuff out in the open as much as we can. The dark side of this hobby is the collection is king. Too many people are scared to speak up because they don't want to lose the opportunity to add something desirable to their collection. And as the past has demonstrated, there are many with financial ties who will attack people for trying to inform others of illegal and shady practices. There is more to this story and because of how people defend their sketchy contacts we have to be careful to protect our own reputations. If you want to talk though, feel free to PM. |
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Post by rusVan on Apr 7, 2015 20:47:03 GMT -5
Whats important for people to know here is, that he can't name the person who sent him the promo cards or these unofficial sets. So his claim that it was a hundreds employee is just a smokescreen to make it appear that he was lied to. 3 Hundreds Employees have confirmed that they know nothing about this. Travis called him a 'cat.' Maybe he actually meant, like, a cat... a kitty cat. Keirmon called this "cat" 'affliated." Be on the look out for the feline pets of the Hundreds employees. |
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Post by JasonDecay on Apr 7, 2015 20:54:12 GMT -5
Whats important for people to know here is, that he can't name the person who sent him the promo cards or these unofficial sets. So his claim that it was a hundreds employee is just a smokescreen to make it appear that he was lied to. 3 Hundreds Employees have confirmed that they know nothing about this. Travis called him a 'cat.' Maybe he actually meant, like, a cat... a kitty cat. Keirmon called this "cat" 'affliated." Be on the look out for the feline pets of the Hundreds employees. I just shot whiskey out my nose...not cool. |
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Post by G.Ü.N.T.H.E.R. ...........ddgr on Apr 7, 2015 21:12:46 GMT -5
And just to add, Travis got geepeekay to list the Hundreds Set on his website. It still has the original information in place.  Also, his solution is not really one. When someone gets caught counterfeiting goods, the prosecutors destroy the items. There was a big GPK counterfeiting operation in the 80s that got busted and that's what ended up happening to all the plates and inventory that they still had. He wants to continue marketing and selling the set, but as far as we know based on the Hundreds representatives, he does not have permission to make/sell these. I know many people buy and sell bootlegs, but they are usually advertised as such and typically carry a lower value since the source of their manufacture is unknown and quantities are typically unregulated. Not only did he take people's money, but The Hundreds company has had to use their time (resources) to clear up confusion from collectors looking for answers. Instead of taking up any more of anyone's time, he should go through his sales records and refund all buyers and stop selling them. |
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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 21:57:50 GMT -5
First of all, I can't believe there wasn't a misunderstanding in this whole situation. He actually did it.  I never thought he'd do something like this. I think it's very good of Travis to refund people. I believe that is the first step to healing. He can recover from this, but it's going to take a while. Time heals all wounds, especially when the person admits the wrong doing. For example: people hated Pete Rose forever...until he admitted it. Now there is a large following that wants him in the Hall. It took balls to admit what he did. I mean, I can't remember anyone ever admitting a wrong like this before. Typically people just fight it to the end. I wish he would have left the names out of the apology and just kept it generic when talking about not being responsible for everything he was being accused of. Obviously, he still has issues with some people. None of us will get along with everyone but we can co-exist. Unfortunately, here on the UG he is going to stay banned. I (UG mods) have additional reasons related to the UG specifically that is going to keep him away. My reasons are specific to this site and not at all related to ripping anyone off. I think we can consider this matter closed. Steve is going to post a thread about being careful when you are dealing with rare stuff. Many people have gotten ripped off because they have tried to keep things quiet to make sure they get the item. I'll post potential solutions to this dilemma in Steve's thread. The UG will always be a collector first community. We will always take action at the first sign of wrongdoings. Whether it be, talking, investigating, banning and etc. Just do the right thing and all is good in the hood. |
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Post by Cory on Apr 7, 2015 21:59:18 GMT -5
Whats important for people to know here is, that he can't name the person who sent him the promo cards or these unofficial sets. So his claim that it was a hundreds employee is just a smokescreen to make it appear that he was lied to. 3 Hundreds Employees have confirmed that they know nothing about this. Travis called him a 'cat.' Maybe he actually meant, like, a cat... a kitty cat. Keirmon called this "cat" 'affliated." Be on the look out for the feline pets of the Hundreds employees. God damn you Russ.  |
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The card is pretty good condition. But its not a sticker, there is a line on the card to appear as a sticker and the back is in black/white.
I never thought he'd do something like this. 
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Really cool box. I wish they had the Nasty Nick box too though