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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 16:37:46 GMT -5
It is indeed frustrating. I could see someone spending 5-6 grand on this set to fully complete it. It's disgusting really. Throw in a final or two your up to 8+ grand! I don't particularly want all these parallels, but a little green guy that talks in my head keeps telling me I need to have a "complete" set. Maybe we could all chip in and buy the GPK brand from them, probably cheaper and we could control it's direction. Ha Ha, I just suggested something similar to Cory! Let's get this started! I was just about to respond to that. I wouldn't want to start a new card set. Way too much work for that. Acquiring the GPK brand would be the only way I'd get involved, but that's not happening. ;D I wonder what Topps would want for it? It can't be worth that much. Keir just buy it straight up. It should come with the Adam Bomb final. I'll art direct the first 3 series for free for you.
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Post by script77 on Mar 13, 2013 16:39:47 GMT -5
I'm with you guys all the way. I love the OS series and even some of the ANS's, but after BNS 1 I said enough. The gags are dumb, the art is absolutely horrendous and even the sketch cards are half assed! Topps is doing the same thing with their sports cards as well! I don't care about parallels, and I don't want 12 base sets before I get all the 3d/glowing/nonsense cards they are putting out. I'm an illustrator by trade.... but where are they getting these artists!?!?! I was actually angry after I opened a couple BNS packs! I'm DONE TOPPS!!!!!
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 16:41:37 GMT -5
It is indeed frustrating. I could see someone spending 5-6 grand on this set to fully complete it. It's disgusting really. Throw in a final or two your up to 8+ grand! I don't particularly want all these parallels, but a little green guy that talks in my head keeps telling me I need to have a "complete" set. Maybe we could all chip in and buy the GPK brand from them, probably cheaper and we could control it's direction. There's only so many of us gold collectors. If we all agreed not to pay more than $10 per card we could control the market and make it more manageable to put these together, lol. I think a big part of it this time is that it came out so soon after BNS1 and the wallets need some recovery time. Plus we know BNS3 is only a few more months away so turn that $8k into $16k in one year to put together 2 master sets. Insanity! We tried that with artwork back when Topps was listing a few pieces a week. Didn't work that well. People can't resist screwing each other over. The GPK bug is like a real VIRUS...it makes people SICKY
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 16:46:21 GMT -5
Good topic and replies guys. It is interesting to get everyone's take on this serious issue affecting many of our lives BNS2 will be the first set I do not collect at all. I started getting upset with all the FB sets. There isn't a more clear money grab. Reproduced cards from the OS sets with tons of nearly impossible to complete parallel sets. Overall, the small amount of new art in the FB sets was weak. How many friggin Adam Bombs do we need? For some reason I collected BNS1. It was a waste. The more I look at the cards the less I like them. Before FB and BNS I was a completest. FB and BNS has made that near impossible. Could I spend 5-10k to complete a set? I suppose but why? Why do I need the same card in 10 different colors? I understand that is is a business and Topps needs to make money. I just refuse to support it anymore. I like OS GPK. That is what brings back memories of my childhood. I could care less about a Jersey Shore parody. So after BNS1 I decided to stop collecting new GPK. John Pound is retired. Tom Bunk is a shadow of his OS self. Some of the current artists are good (some are horrible) but it just does not have the same feeling to me. So I am slowly getting rid of all of my ANS, FB and BNS stuff. I will keep ANS1 I suppose because it has many OS16 cards in it. I do enjoy foreign cards. They primarily use the OS art and I find them interesting. So I have that to focus on still. But at the end of the day I can respect people that enjoy collecting the new GPK stuff. America is a free country and art is a subjective thing. Personally I would rather spend my money on other things. You could probably piece together a full OS16 set if you take ANS1 and all of the "lost" cards. I should have listened to you back during GPKUG Con a year ago about just sticking with the OS. It looks like you didn't take your own advice though. OS16 is another thing Topps has ignored us on. We've asked countless times for them to release OS16 as it would have been released in the 80's complete with backs. They could sell it online only and yet nothing. That is easy money right there but they aren't interested. They can't super gouge us with inserts. I'm sure almost all of us would by multiple boxes each, probably cases.
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Post by El-Jefe on Mar 13, 2013 16:48:42 GMT -5
Ha Ha, I just suggested something similar to Cory! Let's get this started! I was just about to respond to that. I wouldn't want to start a new card set. Way too much work for that. Acquiring the GPK brand would be the only way I'd get involved, but that's not happening. ;D I wonder what Topps would want for it? It can't be worth that much. Keir just buy it straight up. It should come with the Adam Bomb final. I'll art direct the first 3 series for free for you. I'd chip in ;D
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Post by BRENT on Mar 13, 2013 16:58:56 GMT -5
What % of the GPK buying market are active members on this site? I'm just looking for guesses?
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on Mar 13, 2013 17:04:06 GMT -5
It is indeed frustrating. I could see someone spending 5-6 grand on this set to fully complete it. It's disgusting really. Throw in a final or two your up to 8+ grand! I don't particularly want all these parallels, but a little green guy that talks in my head keeps telling me I need to have a "complete" set. Maybe we could all chip in and buy the GPK brand from them, probably cheaper and we could control it's direction. I'm with Keir i'll chip in let's buy it!
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Post by Keirmon on Mar 13, 2013 17:05:14 GMT -5
On the topic of GPK, I was told by a Topps executive, it was once worth around a 100 Million. I would bet the franchise could be bought for 15-20 Million today. Still big numbers, but don't forget them if you hit the lotto! Also, if we had a continuation of manufacturing done by topps for say a 20 year deal with say 1 print run per year and a guaranteed amount of distribution, we could get financed.... Possibly.... If someone had some experience with this type of business....
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Post by TornShaun on Mar 13, 2013 17:06:49 GMT -5
At least if we controlled the GPK brand EVERY fugging Shaun card would be spelt correct and not fuggin Sean or Shawn
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Post by Dirty dog on Mar 13, 2013 17:14:06 GMT -5
I love this thread, it goes from stopping collecting to buying the brand. :-)
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Post by rusVan on Mar 13, 2013 17:20:42 GMT -5
GPK will always hold a special place in my heart, but ANS 7 killed it for me and the long wait from ANS 7 to the s**t FB series. This is a big reason I got into the toys and confectionary candy side of Topps, the wait from s**t to worse s**t was too much. In giving Topps another couple of years to make Series 3 Cheap Toys and then I'm done, unless they make us some toys. They listened by making BNS more OS-style, but they can't make ten lousy toys. f**k them. I wish Topps Vault would intervene like they did with Old School Wacky Packages.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 13, 2013 17:21:40 GMT -5
You could probably piece together a full OS16 set if you take ANS1 and all of the "lost" cards. I should have listened to you back during GPKUG Con a year ago about just sticking with the OS. It looks like you didn't take your own advice though. OS16 is another thing Topps has ignored us on. We've asked countless times for them to release OS16 as it would have been released in the 80's complete with backs. They could sell it online only and yet nothing. That is easy money right there but they aren't interested. They can't super gouge us with inserts. I'm sure almost all of us would by multiple boxes each, probably cases. You are right, I did not listen to my own advice. It is hard to see all the activity and excitement around here when there is a new release and not get involved. But this time I am really not spending a penny! I will also start listing my ANS, FB and BNS stuff on eBay eventually. Such a pain though. Hmm maybe a OS16 Fan Set... Well we wouldn't want to get nasty letters from Topps so we better not...
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Post by TornShaun on Mar 13, 2013 17:23:59 GMT -5
You could probably piece together a full OS16 set if you take ANS1 and all of the "lost" cards. I should have listened to you back during GPKUG Con a year ago about just sticking with the OS. It looks like you didn't take your own advice though. OS16 is another thing Topps has ignored us on. We've asked countless times for them to release OS16 as it would have been released in the 80's complete with backs. They could sell it online only and yet nothing. That is easy money right there but they aren't interested. They can't super gouge us with inserts. I'm sure almost all of us would by multiple boxes each, probably cases. You are right, I did not listen to my own advice. It is hard to see all the activity and excitement around here when there is a new release and not get involved. But this time I am really not spending a penny! I will also start listing my ANS, FS and BNS stuff on eBay eventually. Such a pain though. Hmm maybe a OS16 Fan Set... Well we wouldn't want to get nasty letters from Topps so we better not... A proper OS16 should be made! All the images are there! That would just be amazing
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Post by Nicodemus on Mar 13, 2013 17:32:38 GMT -5
The real question is...Would we be burned out if the cards were good?
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Post by rusVan on Mar 13, 2013 17:42:12 GMT -5
You could probably piece together a full OS16 set if you take ANS1 and all of the "lost" cards. I should have listened to you back during GPKUG Con a year ago about just sticking with the OS. It looks like you didn't take your own advice though. OS16 is another thing Topps has ignored us on. We've asked countless times for them to release OS16 as it would have been released in the 80's complete with backs. They could sell it online only and yet nothing. That is easy money right there but they aren't interested. They can't super gouge us with inserts. I'm sure almost all of us would by multiple boxes each, probably cases. You are right, I did not listen to my own advice. It is hard to see all the activity and excitement around here when there is a new release and not get involved. But this time I am really not spending a penny! I will also start listing my ANS, FB and BNS stuff on eBay eventually. Such a pain though. Hmm maybe a OS16 Fan Set... Well we wouldn't want to get nasty letters from Topps so we better not... Just do with the Topps hate mail what Fred Sanford did with his bills.
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Post by G.I. JASON on Mar 13, 2013 18:34:31 GMT -5
This is a great topic. I grew sick of gpk and stopped collecting cold turkey(why would I have started collecting cold turkeys anyway?)it wasn't a money issue or anything I just didn't enjoy it anymore.....even parted with most of my cheaptoys. I think the lack of topps caring about pack searchers just sent me over an edge I had been holding onto with 2 fat stubby fingers anyway.
Do I regret parting with gpk I parted with......honestly not really. I can always peep it in pix on my pc or what have you....so I think Cory even if you tossed the towel you wouldn't regret it.......now I did keep all my actual cards....because that's the only thing I had as a kid.......so that's how I justified parting with everything and never looking back or regretting it.
Id love to go in if folks were serious about a business model to snatch gpk......because folks......in 4-6 years with topps not creating a new fanbase they can't be a profitable line from just handfuls of us old farts
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on Mar 13, 2013 19:28:46 GMT -5
Dude i'm really in I'll keep my job and my returns on investment could be paid in proof cards!
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Post by TornShaun on Mar 13, 2013 19:37:08 GMT -5
Did you say Wayne your selling off your collection? How many big players tonight have said they are or thinking of calling it quits? Cory, Wayne, TCT! Really? Can I please be leader then hahahaha
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Post by Buildakidwnr on Mar 13, 2013 20:08:17 GMT -5
Why do I feel like if we were all together right now Topps would get burnt down tonight
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Post by Dirty dog on Mar 13, 2013 20:37:14 GMT -5
Picture this card printed in 80's cardstock with a dripping logo and smelling like gum. I think it could have been in an OS set back in the day, what do you think? I even 90/10'd the borders for you Just throwing that out there, I know people are hating on the art pretty bad. I think there's good ones in there. The GITD cards are also super cool in my opinion.
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Post by Mr. 1985 on Mar 13, 2013 20:58:35 GMT -5
Ping,Simko,Layron,Engstrom and Gross have done a fine job with the set. Alot of the concepts are good, alot less than so. Overall BNS2 is unique and a definite step-up from BNS1 for sure. I'm willing to hold-out untill BNS3 to give topps that ol' third-strike.
The best thing about BNS2 is that I don't see any big-rush to competition. The C-name sucker-punch in this set is exactly the kinda controversy I had figured topps would throw at us. To be more accurate, I knew topps would have a suprise of sorts with BNS2. The C-name sucker-punch was exactly that though.
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 21:06:59 GMT -5
Picture this card printed in 80's cardstock with a dripping logo and smelling like gum. I think it could have been in an OS set back in the day, what do you think? I even 90/10'd the borders for you Just throwing that out there, I know people are hating on the art pretty bad. I think there's good ones in there. The GITD cards are also super cool in my opinion. That one isn't terrible. It's basically just Cut-Up Carmen made out of fruit. The thing that irritates me about this one is it's landscape. Why? So we can see the hand holding it down. The GPK is so small on the card for no reason.
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Post by Dirty dog on Mar 13, 2013 21:30:34 GMT -5
Picture this card printed in 80's cardstock with a dripping logo and smelling like gum. I think it could have been in an OS set back in the day, what do you think? I even 90/10'd the borders for you Just throwing that out there, I know people are hating on the art pretty bad. I think there's good ones in there. The GITD cards are also super cool in my opinion. That one isn't terrible. It's basically just Cut-Up Carmen made out of fruit. The thing that irritates me about this one is it's landscape. Why? So we can see the hand holding it down. The GPK is so small on the card for no reason. Cut-Up Carmen was a cut out, this one is based off the old Fruit Roll-Ups, I would say they are different. Plus the rip is in a great spot. lol I do agree about the image being too small though. In the 80's, it would have taken up more of the card, which is why the hand comes out more to compensate. Still the GPK itself is nicely done on this one.
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Post by Mark Pingitore on Mar 13, 2013 21:42:01 GMT -5
That one isn't terrible. It's basically just Cut-Up Carmen made out of fruit. The thing that irritates me about this one is it's landscape. Why? So we can see the hand holding it down. The GPK is so small on the card for no reason. Cut-Up Carmen was a cut out, this one is based off the old Fruit Roll-Ups, I would say they are different. I do agree about the image being too small though. In the 80's, it would have taken up more of the card, which is why the hand comes out more to compensate. Still the GPK itself is nicely done on this one. I agree this is a nice one, and it's a pretty big stretch to lump all flat or cutout characters as rehashed. I'll get my box tomorrow to check out the cards in person, but as a fan from what I've seen (excluding the ones I was involved in because I'm biased) I think people are being way too harsh and focussing on negatives and not talking about ones they like as much, which I think is more interesting.
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Post by ANSestren on Mar 13, 2013 22:02:23 GMT -5
Cut-Up Carmen was a cut out, this one is based off the old Fruit Roll-Ups, I would say they are different. I do agree about the image being too small though. In the 80's, it would have taken up more of the card, which is why the hand comes out more to compensate. Still the GPK itself is nicely done on this one. I agree this is a nice one, and it's a pretty big stretch to lump all flat or cutout characters as rehashed. I'll get my box tomorrow to check out the cards in person, but as a fan from what I've seen (excluding the ones I was involved in because I'm biased) I think people are being way too harsh and focussing on negatives and not talking about ones they like as much, which I think is more interesting. Some people are just nostalgic and don't like change to their hobbies. It is understandable, but unfortunately things have to change. It is not the 80s any more. This is a new generation of GPK aimed at the new generation of kids. The original cannot be beat. Still I likebthisbrelease a lot. I like the alien theme cards a lot. Those are fantastic in my opinion. Losts of better art this time around.
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Post by rusVan on Mar 13, 2013 22:18:02 GMT -5
I'm not quitting.
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 22:26:51 GMT -5
That one isn't terrible. It's basically just Cut-Up Carmen made out of fruit. The thing that irritates me about this one is it's landscape. Why? So we can see the hand holding it down. The GPK is so small on the card for no reason. Cut-Up Carmen was a cut out, this one is based off the old Fruit Roll-Ups, I would say they are different. Plus the rip is in a great spot. lol I do agree about the image being too small though. In the 80's, it would have taken up more of the card, which is why the hand comes out more to compensate. Still the GPK itself is nicely done on this one. Fruit Roll-ups with cut-outs or peel-outs or whatever they were. I'm not saying it's a rehash, it's similar but different enough to stand on its own. It reminded me of Cut-Up Carmen when I first saw it though. The art is good it just has a ton of dead space in it. I'd rather have a close up of the details than a big dumb hand taking up 1/3rd of the space. It's not a GPK that blows you away. This is a good filler GPK to add diversity to a set. There just aren't very many knock-outs in the BNS in my opinion. Pieces that are truly memorable that give the series weight. OS4 for example. Puzzled Paul...great GPK. Not really what pops into your head when you think of OS4. You think Unzipped Zack, Max Axe, Alien Ian, Shorned Sean. Not Flat Tyler even though it's good.
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Post by militaryhorn on Mar 13, 2013 23:43:58 GMT -5
mping - before I comment on which ones I like...which ones did you do? I agree, we should be talking about which ones we like. I would bet money that even the naysayers still like some of the new series. So far, I like the Charlie Down and Hulk cards.
By the way, you have to get your own box??? Topps that cheap that they can't give the artist their own personal set as part of the compensation package? Wow! Also, are you doing any sketch returns this set?
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Post by rev79 on Mar 14, 2013 1:06:33 GMT -5
For the record, I think this set has some great stuff in it. That's not to say it doesn't have some stinkers too, however. Not one set has been 100% perfect to this point. I think we all realize that the GPK of nowadays will never be as cool or groundbreaking as anything from the 80's (probably because we're not children anymore being part of the reason ), but some of us can still enjoy these without being so critical.
It's quite simple really: if you're not feelin' the artwork/concepts or you think you're getting ripped off, then by all means don't buy them. I'd hate to see a large chunk of collectors bow out though. That would probably only lead to Topps stopping production.
Where was all the hating when BNS1 came out?? BNS2 is quite an improvement and look at the reaction.
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Post by madmanmoore on Mar 14, 2013 1:08:13 GMT -5
Ping I think you know that we love what you and a few others are putting out.. I just erks me that some artist's concepts get accepted and they pass over your Gladiator, Cowboy, and Invisible man for the likes of Cracked Sheldon... It makes me want to scream, or better yet kick whomever accepts the concepts right is his balls.
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