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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 12:13:48 GMT -5
I think I might tap out of collecting these new GPK products. I'm not really a fan of the stuff being put out. Even with the ANS there were some awesome standouts, now there really isn't anything compelling at all. Even with the CPK look, the cards are just boring as fugg. The concepts are just blah or rehashes. It's like every series is ANS2 over again but it's costs you 30 times more to get it. I don't think I can justify spending money on this stuff anymore. Topps doesn't make the decision any easier with the pricing and inserts either. I feel like a fool supporting a company that doesn't give a fuggin s**t about it's fans too.
I really need to think about this. If I stop collecting there is nothing left for me to collect. I'm not into the items, foreign or secondary GPK stuff. I'll be finished and I'm not sure if I want to be finished.
Anyone have similar feelings? I think I need someone to hold me.
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Post by Fuzz on Mar 13, 2013 12:18:39 GMT -5
I feel like this all the time. I love collecting 80s stuff I had as a kid, especially GPK. But like you said, the prices, artwork, and weak concepts have really taken its toll on my urge to keep collecting.
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Post by damien308 on Mar 13, 2013 12:21:52 GMT -5
well i knew not to expect a perfect set with bns 2 . but i like what i see so far. i have just gotten back into collecting gpk. i do understand where your coming from . there is still alot topps can fix . i think they know exactly what we want. they know how to release a proper gpk set. but i think there will always be the filler in the product......... the not so popular artists .
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 12:28:57 GMT -5
I feel like this all the time. I love collecting 80s stuff I had as a kid, especially GPK. But like you said, the prices, artwork, and weak concepts have really taken its toll on my urge to keep collecting. If I look at something awesome from the 80's and the modern version of it, it seems that companies have figured stuff out and are making it better. The NES was awesome but gaming coninues to get better (for the most part) Transformers were awesome and they are awesome now. I'm talking about toys. I can buy a Transformer now and the thing doesn't break into pieces. The engineering they are doing on these toys is incredible. GPK doesn't even remember what the hell it is. I remember doing something back in the day that showed how many GPK were bodily function related and there were like 10 cards in the first 6 series. Now we'd be lucky to have less than 10 in the first 20 cards of a set. Nobody working on GPK now knows what made GPK great. It's all a cash grab and I don't like it. By all means, GRAB THE CASH, TAKE MY MONEY, but give us a quality product in return.
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 12:39:33 GMT -5
well i knew not to expect a perfect set with bns 2 . but i like what i see so far. i have just gotten back into collecting gpk. i do understand where your coming from . there is still alot topps can fix . i think they know exactly what we want. they know how to release a proper gpk set. but i think there will always be the filler in the product......... the not so popular artists . Maybe they should just find some people that can do it correctly. Fugg, they released a series like every 3 months in the 80's. How have they regressed in quality with all of this technology to speed s**t up/make things easier? I don't think they know what we want or what a GPK even is. It's evident by the crap they continue to put out. If they know we don't want X.....don't give us X. Throw X in the trash and replace with Y. It's not difficult. People accepting low quality product aren't helping things either. We can only show our displeasure by not buying this crap. Obviously, pointing out problems on a message board hasn't done much in the last 10 years or so. ;D If sales tanked they'd take no blame though, the product simply wouldn't have a fan base anymore. So we are kind of forced into buying trash if we want it to keep going. We want it to keep going because one day they might figure it out. One day...
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Post by gpkisland on Mar 13, 2013 12:45:54 GMT -5
WOW!! cory i have felt this way about card collecting for a long time --All companies get this way anymore --i mean look at upperdeck (now just making gaming stuff), Fleer (one of my favorites) Gone!, it will come to a time when trading cards will be a memory--simple times like the NES, and most of out toys from our childhood, we had to still use a little imaganation--today times kids crazy stuff like electronics ETC..--its sad but i have felt this way a long time, its not about collecting its about making money --and thats what topps cares about look at there baseball backs 50 card packs --ok i just rumbling but your right the good old days are gone just buying a pack and chewinbg that gum while looking through your 5 cards --
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Post by TornShaun on Mar 13, 2013 12:57:50 GMT -5
I'm enjoying this release but I can see your pain. Topps doesn't listen! They have a twitter account but did they even mention GPK? No, all they mention is baseball cards or NFL cards! Don't get me wrong I'd love to get in to that but surely you'd be pimping everything you produced? I think the FB and BNS has been a lot better quality than ANS but its the parallels and low odds making it harder to complete that fuggs me off! not all of us can afford to throw $$$ at this! I'm lucky to be able to buy one box for this series! But at the end of the day I think personally of rather have GPK released than be a past memory! f**k it maybe I'm drunk rambling haha
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Post by Mr. 1985 on Mar 13, 2013 13:10:25 GMT -5
I feel your pain Cory. After seeing most of what BNS2 is offering, I feel half-tempet to throw in the ol' sponge as well. Topps knows which way the wind is blowing, but don't care. They just love to keep extorting GPK, WP, and hell all card collectors in general with an endless glut of inserts/sub-sets. I mean, for every good GPK in this set, we seem to have two bad. The curse just continues.
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 13:34:09 GMT -5
I'm enjoying this release but I can see your pain. Topps doesn't listen! They have a twitter account but did they even mention GPK? No, all they mention is baseball cards or NFL cards! Don't get me wrong I'd love to get in to that but surely you'd be pimping everything you produced? I think the FB and BNS has been a lot better quality than ANS but its the parallels and low odds making it harder to complete that fuggs me off! not all of us can afford to throw $$$ at this! I'm lucky to be able to buy one box for this series! But at the end of the day I think personally of rather have GPK released than be a past memory! f**k it maybe I'm drunk rambling haha It's really not the money that bothers me. It's the combination of the set being crap AND having to pay a ton. I'd gladly pay a lot of money for a set that doesn't suck. It's tough to swallow when only 20% of the cards are of acceptable quality.
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Post by Stinger on Mar 13, 2013 13:48:35 GMT -5
Don't give up Cory, I think you will regret it in the long run. I must admit, I'm pretty disgusted when it comes to the bonus cards. I'm not rich, I'll be lucky to get one of each let alone two. Its also hard when Wacky's and GPK's come out at the same time. I have other interests besides card collecting so its getting harder to keep up with this stuff but I'll try my best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 14:01:03 GMT -5
Hey Leader,
I've been texting Jimbo about this very topic since BNS1 was announced. Again I find myself at a crossroads. I enjoy collecting GPK, but lately it's lost it's flare (For the BNS items). I've yet to open a pack of BNS2
For me between GPK releases I usually collect vinyl.
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Post by Buildakidwnr on Mar 13, 2013 14:04:59 GMT -5
I think I might tap out of collecting these new GPK products. I'm not really a fan of the stuff being put out. Even with the ANS there were some awesome standouts, now there really isn't anything compelling at all. Even with the CPK look, the cards are just boring as fugg. The concepts are just blah or rehashes. It's like every series is ANS2 over again but it's costs you 30 times more to get it. I don't think I can justify spending money on this stuff anymore. Topps doesn't make the decision any easier with the pricing and inserts either. I feel like a fool supporting a company that doesn't give a fuggin s**t about it's fans too. I really need to think about this. If I stop collecting there is nothing left for me to collect. I'm not into the items, foreign or secondary GPK stuff. I'll be finished and I'm not sure if I want to be finished. Anyone have similar feelings? I think I need someone to hold me. I am so with you on this. I have collected almost every parallel from every series. I only need 5 more to have every one. That is why I can't believe it, but... I'm out too. I will collect the base set and maybe the bonus cards etc., maybe, and that is a. I don't know what Topps did, but I am not enjoying it right now. I think they released too much too close. It seems like collecting more than the base cards is just going to be more and more expensive and difficult so why even try. Maybe I just got burned out because trying to collect EVERYTHING is a fuggin job. I will always love GPK and love that they are coming out with new stuff to keep things alive. However, for how I collect it is just too much.
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Post by El-Jefe on Mar 13, 2013 14:12:44 GMT -5
I haven't seen all the characters yet but from what I see I'd have to agree with you Cory. What really gets me is all the sub sets, I don't have tons of cash to throw at GPK and it really irritates me that the product you purchase is not up to par although I do have some favorites, just wish they would all be good. On a positive note I love collecting and trading on this forum it's really a fun hobby for me and the new sets really keeps the trading experience here exciting! Cory, you know what they say "If you want the job done right you have to do it yourself"!
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Post by BRENT on Mar 13, 2013 14:24:13 GMT -5
I think if you don't like anything about the set then you shouldn't spend a dime on anything. If you do like some of the cards then just get those. Hell, you wouldn't even have to pay for them since a lot of us will have thousands of base cards. It's pretty much that simple.
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 14:27:11 GMT -5
Hey Leader, I've been texting Jimbo about this very topic since BNS1 was announced. Again I find myself at a crossroads. I enjoy collecting GPK, but lately it's lost it's flare (For the BNS items). I've yet to open a pack of BNS2 For me between GPK releases I usually collect vinyl. -TCT Wow, I didn't expect ol' TCT to be getting burned out. I have yet to open a BNS2 pack and only opened 1 pack of BNS1. One pack. I got my BNS1 set in a UG/Ebay combo buy. The NES game buying was making me feel all good inside again, maybe I could focus on that. I think I might have almost all of the good games I want though. I'm going to stay away from collecting the crap games. I should adopt a Jimbo approach and just stick with OS. The real question is...Would we be burned out if the cards were good?
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Post by Artful Dodger on Mar 13, 2013 14:36:04 GMT -5
Maybe I just got burned out because trying to collect EVERYTHING is a fuggin job. I will always love GPK and love that they are coming out with new stuff to keep things alive. However, for how I collect it is just too much. I could see myself getting burned out if i tried to collect like that. Collecting should be fun. Honestly for BNS1 and BNS2 I simply tried to get a base set (i got a lot more but that was my goal). I had fun opening packs not really caring too much if I get a sketch or not but just wanted to get a few sets together. I did not go for black/golds, etc and am not for BNS2. When it becomes a chore and no longer fun then I know I need to step back and go to what made it fun in the first place.
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Post by Cory on Mar 13, 2013 14:40:09 GMT -5
Don't give up Cory, I think you will regret it in the long run. I must admit, I'm pretty disgusted when it comes to the bonus cards. I'm not rich, I'll be lucky to get one of each let alone two. Its also hard when Wacky's and GPK's come out at the same time. I have other interests besides card collecting so its getting harder to keep up with this stuff but I'll try my best. That's the main thing I struggle with. Will I regret it? There have been times where I'd consider scanning all of the fronts and backs and just keeping my "collection" on my PC/device to enjoy. Do I need physical cards to enjoy the set? There is something about holding an OS GPK that just feels right so I haven't wanted to do that yet. Topps is going overboard with the inserts. I feel for people that want to collect it all. Bonus cards and "c" cards should be relatively easy to get. Parallels can be for the super hardcore. Nobody cares about a different color border, but when you start fuggin with being able to collect the fronts....yikes.
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Post by purenell on Mar 13, 2013 14:48:19 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not a fan of their insert structure either. But that is also why I gave up on trying to get all of the bonus cards and parallel sets a long time ago. It was fine when there were one, two, or even three bonus cards but now it is just ridiculous. And what good is getting 12 cards if I'm practically wasting money on 300 more cards to get them? It sucks, especially since I like a number of the bonus cards, but it just isn't worth it.
With that said, I'm still alright with just collecting the base sets. And whatever bonus cards I end up with while doing so is...well...just a bonus.
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Post by The Doctor of Fuggonomics on Mar 13, 2013 14:50:46 GMT -5
Hi Fearless Leader, It's a tough decision to make i bought some bns2 just to get a set. i like some of the stuff but most is lacking the creative depth it needs to truly be relevant to us collectors. I didn't go nuts this time like bns1 and i'm glad i didn't Topps has decided it's fine to bang our wallets without taking us to dinner first. I will likely just pick up a base set from bns3 and the bonus cards and wittle my gpk collecting career down from there. I have the one aspect of gpk i enjoy collecting with proofs, but i don't need the drama and headache of having to get c cards plus every other subset Topps decides to jam down our throat. I was excited to get my first printing plate, my first sketch, my first gold, my first gold Adam but was it truly worth the investment? No, now i have a case and a half of bns1 under my desk in my office just sitting there. I don't blame the artists for the art they do have some incredibly talented people working on this project like Mark, Joe, Brent and Layron who have great ideas and great talent to do it the right way, But i blame Topps for losing it's way on this once great collectible that we loved so much that it has stayed for decades in our hearts and memories as something we truly cherished. I can no longer say i will spend what i have to complete my sets. Will i buy the random pack sitting alone in it's gravity feed at the store after it's been searched to death by flippers? Yes but only for that nostalgic feeling of tearing it open( unless fanset 4 is in wax again! that'd be sweet!) but my case/box buying days are now over i can't hand my money to Topps and say thanks for fuggin me i'm off to the clinic for STD testing now.
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Post by liquidfox on Mar 13, 2013 15:01:25 GMT -5
I guess it comes down to what you are collecting for. If it is just for fun and it is not fun anymore than I don't see why anyone would continue on. It wouldn't mean you didn't like GPK anymore. Things as well as people change and that's ok. You certainly don't have to "collect" to be a part of the hobby.
I haven't bought but a few stray packs of anything new since FB1 (sketches aside) and I don't feel left out at all. I enjoy the new releases and look forward to them for better or worse. This keeps it an enjoyable hobby for me.
I hope you wouldn't bounce from the UG. Your old sage voice of reason would be missed.
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Post by Buildakidwnr on Mar 13, 2013 15:11:35 GMT -5
Some really good points have been made here. All of it makes me at peace with not collecting more than just a base set.
There was a thread on here once about "is your collection complete?" For me, if there was a card I didn't have such as a parallel, then the answer was NO. It truly was fun and exciting to track down a gold set. Yeah, like I said it was like a job, but a damn fun one!
What kills the fun is when even the base set is a mofo to complete with the C cards. Great idea, but the odds should not be that difficult to get them. To me, I realize completing everything is just not going to happen. Even if I had the money to buy all the parallels I think there is a great possibility you don't even find every card. Seems like there are going to be a lot of FB2 29b's in this set.
Time for me to let go and as someone said "collect what makes me happy"
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Post by BRENT on Mar 13, 2013 15:18:03 GMT -5
Topps is going overboard with the inserts. I feel for people that want to collect it all. Bonus cards and "c" cards should be relatively easy to get. Parallels can be for the super hardcore. Nobody cares about a different color border, but when you start fuggin with being able to collect the fronts....yikes.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 13, 2013 15:36:40 GMT -5
Good topic and replies guys. It is interesting to get everyone's take on this serious issue affecting many of our lives BNS2 will be the first set I do not collect at all. I started getting upset with all the FB sets. There isn't a more clear money grab. Reproduced cards from the OS sets with tons of nearly impossible to complete parallel sets. Overall, the small amount of new art in the FB sets was weak. How many friggin Adam Bombs do we need? For some reason I collected BNS1. It was a waste. The more I look at the cards the less I like them. Before FB and BNS I was a completest. FB and BNS has made that near impossible. Could I spend 5-10k to complete a set? I suppose but why? Why do I need the same card in 10 different colors? I understand that is is a business and Topps needs to make money. I just refuse to support it anymore. I like OS GPK. That is what brings back memories of my childhood. I could care less about a Jersey Shore parody. So after BNS1 I decided to stop collecting new GPK. John Pound is retired. Tom Bunk is a shadow of his OS self. Some of the current artists are good (some are horrible) but it just does not have the same feeling to me. So I am slowly getting rid of all of my ANS, FB and BNS stuff. I will keep ANS1 I suppose because it has many OS16 cards in it. I do enjoy foreign cards. They primarily use the OS art and I find them interesting. So I have that to focus on still. But at the end of the day I can respect people that enjoy collecting the new GPK stuff. America is a free country and art is a subjective thing. Personally I would rather spend my money on other things.
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Post by PsychoPimpKiller on Mar 13, 2013 15:38:38 GMT -5
I hear ya. In the past couple of years I have spent a good couple grand on FB2 & FB3 and those sets are still not complete and I was going for all the sets but the gold set. I spent a few hundred on BNS1 and my set is complete except for the black and gold set but I wasn't even going to try for those.
It seems like it is about quantity and money and not quality to Topps. Although I haven't been all that disappointed with the newer sets but I shouldn't have to spend a s#!tload of money to complete them.
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Post by OS Mafia on Mar 13, 2013 15:44:00 GMT -5
Im 50/50
I like that there are new cards, and I like about 70% of the new stuff, most of the cards have a very os feel, with simplistic backrounds of fading color, but i never really cared for the green,pink,silver etc border cards, plates or sketches so i cant see myself spending $400 to buy a case
I did that with fb3 and got 3 golds from a whole case that i sold for about $20 each card, and now i have stacks and stacks of base cards sitting in a box collecting dust
Id rather have the money go towards a new piece of art.
Im happy with a base set,but its still fun to me opening up a pack, as it gives you the nostalgia factor. It brings you back to when you were a kid and thats worth it to me
the problem with the new sets is there are too many artists. pick 1 or 2 max and have them do a 41 card base set, 20 for each artist.
brand new series is a helluva lot better than all new series
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Post by empyre327 on Mar 13, 2013 15:52:00 GMT -5
I have thought about this. I've used to collect comic books and other things too. I grew out of them. I'm sure one day I will grow out of GPK. I agree - the subsets and the parallels are out of control. I'd be happy with like a 20 card gold set maybe . . .but rather than have 10 cards a pack at $2.50 I'd rather have 6 cards a pack for $2 so we don't have thousands of unused base sets doing nothing.
On another note - when I mail out promo packages with music stuff - I give 5-10 base cards in the package. Lots of people remember them and enjoy them. I give a lot of people base sets for the hell of it too.
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Post by Keirmon on Mar 13, 2013 16:06:01 GMT -5
It is indeed frustrating. I could see someone spending 5-6 grand on this set to fully complete it. It's disgusting really. Throw in a final or two your up to 8+ grand! I don't particularly want all these parallels, but a little green guy that talks in my head keeps telling me I need to have a "complete" set. Maybe we could all chip in and buy the GPK brand from them, probably cheaper and we could control it's direction.
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Post by purenell on Mar 13, 2013 16:10:13 GMT -5
Im happy with a base set,but its still fun to me opening up a pack, as it gives you the nostalgia factor. It brings you back to when you were a kid and thats worth it to me brand new series is a helluva lot better than all new series Completely agree with all of this. I collect them still because they give me that one thing that sort of brings back feelings of being a child again. It is hard to explain to people that don't know what I'm talking about but I'm glad to know that someone else here does. And if they keep going on the route they are going with card art, I'd be fine with this direction (though I wouldn't mind some edgier ones). I'll miss John Pound but he couldn't do this stuff forever.
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Post by El-Jefe on Mar 13, 2013 16:10:50 GMT -5
It is indeed frustrating. I could see someone spending 5-6 grand on this set to fully complete it. It's disgusting really. Throw in a final or two your up to 8+ grand! I don't particularly want all these parallels, but a little green guy that talks in my head keeps telling me I need to have a "complete" set. Maybe we could all chip in and buy the GPK brand from them, probably cheaper and we could control it's direction. Ha Ha, I just suggested something similar to Cory! Let's get this started!
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Post by Dirty dog on Mar 13, 2013 16:16:31 GMT -5
It is indeed frustrating. I could see someone spending 5-6 grand on this set to fully complete it. It's disgusting really. Throw in a final or two your up to 8+ grand! I don't particularly want all these parallels, but a little green guy that talks in my head keeps telling me I need to have a "complete" set. Maybe we could all chip in and buy the GPK brand from them, probably cheaper and we could control it's direction. There's only so many of us gold collectors. If we all agreed not to pay more than $10 per card we could control the market and make it more manageable to put these together, lol. I think a big part of it this time is that it came out so soon after BNS1 and the wallets need some recovery time. Plus we know BNS3 is only a few more months away so turn that $8k into $16k in one year to put together 2 master sets. Insanity!
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