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Post by JoeCool on Apr 4, 2017 23:08:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I've noticed that you don't dare say anything good about today's GPK or you'll face the wrath of "Stuck 'n Time". The wrath of the stuck in time? or the wrath of talking to yourself between your two accounts Lol. Sshhhh. Some peeps don't know about that.
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Post by JoeCool on Apr 4, 2017 23:18:11 GMT -5
Think back to the age you were when you first started collecting GPK 30-32 years ago between 1985-1987. Back then, looking back 30-32 years was like looking back to sometime between 1953-1957. What non-sports card sets from that era (1950's) still held the popularity that GPK sets still hold today? Probably none I bet. There were definitely plenty of non-sports card sets produced in the 1950's (look at the Tradingcard Database website). But what happened to them? I'm sure people eventually forgot about them without any new reminders. I'm sure they're not continuing to climb in value. Their small niche of collectors are probably looking to sell them now at their advanced age without anyone who appreciates them enough to pay anything worthwhile (sportscards don't have that problem).
8-10 year old kids today aren't the ones buying those fancy online cards for $50-$100, which isn't the only new product available. No, these kids are in the Dollar Stores looking at all the different boxes of cards, and trying to decide what kind of new packs to buy. It'll influence what they look back on with sentimental value in the future, and will determine whether they want to buy our GPK sets from us later on or not. Would you tell these kids to buy a pack of something else because GPK now sucks? Wouldn't you rather they chose GPK, instead of Pokeman, or whatever other new fad there is out there? Is your finger so far up your nose that you don't even care if the GPK legacy lives on past the 1980's?
Maybe you just want to quote a single sentence out of this long paragraph and take it out of context like the last guy who said I was talking about 2-YEAR OLDS BUYING $100 POLITICAL CARDS ONLINE AND BLOGGING ABOUT THEM ON FACEBOOK LIKE SOME SNOWFLAKES. Are you kidding me? Those must be some smart kids.
I support OS1, OS2, and Adam-Geddon, etc. Have you seen Outerspace Chase, Squoze Rose, Beth Death, Dry Guy, Mad Mike, Virus Iris, Cracked Jack, Charred Chad, Graffiti Petey, Rob Slob, Alice Island, and Adam Bomb lately? They're all in the latest GPK set, with many more character updates from the original cast. This is only going to bring kids back to the Original Series eventually, and give us all someone to sell are cards to in the future. Most popular 50's Non-Sports sets based of the PSA set registry: 1959 Fleer Three Stooges has 92 sets registered. 1956 Topps US presidents has 53 sets. 1952 Topps Look N See has 52 sets. 1951 Bowman Red Menace has 43 sets. 1956 Topps Elvis Presley has 40 sets. 30yrs ago I didn't even know those sets existed but somehow today, at least in the case of the Stooges, they are still popular. I know the 50's had some killer baseball sets but non-sport was much stronger in the 60's and i'm sure at least few of those are still kicking without having or needing to have current cards on the shelves. I can think of a couple :-) Right now kids are into cards that are related to a game of some sort. Pokemon and MTG being the 2 big ones. And the art in the case of MTG is head and shoulders above the stuff being spewed upon the GPK community right now. Cards will be around. Will GPK change with the times or fade away? People hated ANS too and some eventually came around to it. BNS had it's detractors and some came around to that group. I won't say that everything being pushed as GPK is terrible but some is pretty good. New Wave Dave in the new set is pretty dope. And Funko killed it on the minis, IMO.
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Post by GPKsetbuilder on Apr 5, 2017 0:00:43 GMT -5
Think back to the age you were when you first started collecting GPK 30-32 years ago between 1985-1987. Back then, looking back 30-32 years was like looking back to sometime between 1953-1957. What non-sports card sets from that era (1950's) still held the popularity that GPK sets still hold today? Probably none I bet. There were definitely plenty of non-sports card sets produced in the 1950's (look at the Tradingcard Database website). But what happened to them? I'm sure people eventually forgot about them without any new reminders. I'm sure they're not continuing to climb in value. Their small niche of collectors are probably looking to sell them now at their advanced age without anyone who appreciates them enough to pay anything worthwhile (sportscards don't have that problem).
8-10 year old kids today aren't the ones buying those fancy online cards for $50-$100, which isn't the only new product available. No, these kids are in the Dollar Stores looking at all the different boxes of cards, and trying to decide what kind of new packs to buy. It'll influence what they look back on with sentimental value in the future, and will determine whether they want to buy our GPK sets from us later on or not. Would you tell these kids to buy a pack of something else because GPK now sucks? Wouldn't you rather they chose GPK, instead of Pokeman, or whatever other new fad there is out there? Is your finger so far up your nose that you don't even care if the GPK legacy lives on past the 1980's?
Maybe you just want to quote a single sentence out of this long paragraph and take it out of context like the last guy who said I was talking about 2-YEAR OLDS BUYING $100 POLITICAL CARDS ONLINE AND BLOGGING ABOUT THEM ON FACEBOOK LIKE SOME SNOWFLAKES. Are you kidding me? Those must be some smart kids.
I support OS1, OS2, and Adam-Geddon, etc. Have you seen Outerspace Chase, Squoze Rose, Beth Death, Dry Guy, Mad Mike, Virus Iris, Cracked Jack, Charred Chad, Graffiti Petey, Rob Slob, Alice Island, and Adam Bomb lately? They're all in the latest GPK set, with many more character updates from the original cast. This is only going to bring kids back to the Original Series eventually, and give us all someone to sell are cards to in the future. Most popular 50's Non-Sports sets based of the PSA set registry: 1959 Fleer Three Stooges has 92 sets registered. 1956 Topps US presidents has 53 sets. 1952 Topps Look N See has 52 sets. 1951 Bowman Red Menace has 43 sets. 1956 Topps Elvis Presley has 40 sets. 30yrs ago I didn't even know those sets existed but somehow today, at least in the case of the Stooges, they are still popular. I know the 50's had some killer baseball sets but non-sport was much stronger in the 60's and i'm sure at least few of those are still kicking without having or needing to have current cards on the shelves. I can think of a couple :-) I'm not sure where you are getting that the dollar store is where kids buy cards? I would think Target is probably the main place they are at least exposed to what's out there. Let's face it eitherway, trading cards have a very difficult future in this digital age. Kids don't really collect cards much at all. I'm pretty sure most would agree that Chrome died as a result of a poor business strategy. Vendors were blindsided at the massively large chrome 1 print run and could not make money with pulling little to nothing per case. They got burned and did not come back for chrome 2. Topps saw this and said there's no demand. Chrome is still widely popular on the Facebook boards and maybe a chrome 3 release would do well? Doesn't sound like we will ever find out. And if by bringing in new collectors, you are talking about the 2yr olds who post on the GPK Facebook page every time a new political release comes out, talking about triggered this and snowflake that, I would rather not have them in our beloved hobby. How did I take your quote out of context? I only cut out the part regarding chrome because I was responding to that part of the message. It's redundant and difficult for everyone else to follow what someone is responding to if one just requotes an entire post. Commonly done on forums. Looking back though, I should have requoted your comment that old GPK needs this new GPK to survive. It doesn't. I wasn't referring to your quote. I'm okay with that response.
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Post by Steve on Apr 5, 2017 3:43:08 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's sarcasm. Comparing OS to the new trash? Gotta be just a joke. Or to get people riled up. One or the other. This new junk isn't even Garbage Pail Kids. I don't know what they are, but I know what the aren't...... Garbage Pail Kids. What would you suggest for kids to collect? Anything but this new crap being released. Topps screwed GPK up and they don't have any intentions on fixing it. It amazes me because even though they send their market anal-ysts out to do research on what collectors want, they still get it wrong. They should hire real GPK collectors to do market research, not these dingbats with no clue as to what GPK is really about for many collectors. Topps is their own worst enemy. Collectors are tired of hearing "You should be happy they still make GPKs". "You guys are never happy with anything but OS". "The new stuff isn't all that bad, you just want to complain". bulls**t. The new stuff sucks and people have every right to complain. And they will continue to complain as long as Topps put out non-GPK looking GPKs that aren't interesting and have horrendous art/concepts.
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Post by GPKsetbuilder on Apr 5, 2017 9:50:01 GMT -5
What would you suggest for kids to collect? Anything but this new crap being released. Topps screwed GPK up and they don't have any intentions on fixing it. It amazes me because even though they send their market anal-ysts out to do research on what collectors want, they still get it wrong. They should hire real GPK collectors to do market research, not these dingbats with no clue as to what GPK is really about for many collectors. Topps is their own worst enemy. Collectors are tired of hearing "You should be happy they still make GPKs". "You guys are never happy with anything but OS". "The new stuff isn't all that bad, you just want to complain". bulls**t. The new stuff sucks and people have every right to complain. And they will continue to complain as long as Topps put out non-GPK looking GPKs that aren't interesting and have horrendous art/concepts. Topps wouldn't put it out if no one was buying it. In the meantime, you and others like you, attack anyone with anything positive to say about the new releases, which is how you've tricked yourself into believing that no one likes it. It's okay to be stuck in a vintage GPK world, but to attack others and what they like by trying to twist their arms into submission with your own views is not okay. GPK is selling; that's a fact. People are buying new stuff, and liking it. There are trade threads on this site for ANS, BNS, FBS, CS, YS, TS, etc. People are interested. Each time someone says something positive about a new release on this site, there is someone like you right there to "correct" their views with attacks. Some have even suggested banning member with positive views about new GPK as trolls. It's okay to complain about how Topps in "destroying" GPK in your own threads, but not to attack people who are expressing interest in it.
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Post by JoeCool on Apr 5, 2017 14:14:47 GMT -5
Anything but this new crap being released. Topps screwed GPK up and they don't have any intentions on fixing it. It amazes me because even though they send their market anal-ysts out to do research on what collectors want, they still get it wrong. They should hire real GPK collectors to do market research, not these dingbats with no clue as to what GPK is really about for many collectors. Topps is their own worst enemy. Collectors are tired of hearing "You should be happy they still make GPKs". "You guys are never happy with anything but OS". "The new stuff isn't all that bad, you just want to complain". bulls**t. The new stuff sucks and people have every right to complain. And they will continue to complain as long as Topps put out non-GPK looking GPKs that aren't interesting and have horrendous art/concepts. Topps wouldn't put it out if no one was buying it. In the meantime, you and others like you, attack anyone with anything positive to say about the new releases, which is how you've tricked yourself into believing that no one likes it. It's okay to be stuck in a vintage GPK world, but to attack others and what they like by trying to twist their arms into submission with your own views is not okay. GPK is selling; that's a fact. People are buying new stuff, and liking it. There are trade threads on this site for ANS, BNS, FBS, CS, YS, TS, etc. People are interested. Each time someone says something positive about a new release on this site, there is someone like you right there to "correct" their views with attacks. Some have even suggested banning member with positive views about new GPK as trolls. It's okay to complain about how Topps in "destroying" GPK in your own threads, but not to attack people who are expressing interest in it. I'm sure banning was a joke for those who defend the new stuff. I've been around long enough to know that it takes an act that everyone would find to be theft or dishonesty or general douchebagery to get banned. This place allows people to have an opinion on the current and past state of gpk without fear of being kicked out.
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Post by Steve on Apr 5, 2017 14:30:36 GMT -5
Anything but this new crap being released. Topps screwed GPK up and they don't have any intentions on fixing it. It amazes me because even though they send their market anal-ysts out to do research on what collectors want, they still get it wrong. They should hire real GPK collectors to do market research, not these dingbats with no clue as to what GPK is really about for many collectors. Topps is their own worst enemy. Collectors are tired of hearing "You should be happy they still make GPKs". "You guys are never happy with anything but OS". "The new stuff isn't all that bad, you just want to complain". bulls**t. The new stuff sucks and people have every right to complain. And they will continue to complain as long as Topps put out non-GPK looking GPKs that aren't interesting and have horrendous art/concepts. Topps wouldn't put it out if no one was buying it. In the meantime, you and others like you, attack anyone with anything positive to say about the new releases, which is how you've tricked yourself into believing that no one likes it. It's okay to be stuck in a vintage GPK world, but to attack others and what they like by trying to twist their arms into submission with your own views is not okay. GPK is selling; that's a fact. People are buying new stuff, and liking it. There are trade threads on this site for ANS, BNS, FBS, CS, YS, TS, etc. People are interested. Each time someone says something positive about a new release on this site, there is someone like you right there to "correct" their views with attacks. Some have even suggested banning member with positive views about new GPK as trolls. It's okay to complain about how Topps in "destroying" GPK in your own threads, but not to attack people who are expressing interest in it. I addressed some of your concerns in my other response, but as far as attacking members who have something positive to say I'm not sure what you are referring to. Joecool? He's been a member here for a long time and voices his opinion on what he likes and doesn't like in the new stuff. He's said before he doesn't like some of the new releases. Sometimes he says things tongue in cheek and members know that and play along. The response from a member talking about banning him was said in jest. If I remember correctly there was a "ha ha" at the end of it. Are you talking about me slamming those buying the presidential trash? I never attacked anyone personally but do make general statements, especially about the artists creating them. Again, you are new so I'm trying to help you understand how things work. My suggestion is to not get so defensive and don't take this hobby or life in general so seriously. We are talking about a card collecting hobby here. People express their opinions, people bust each others balls, people have fun here. Even the art collectors bust each others balls on very expensive artwork that they own. Especially this one guy
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Post by OS Mafia on Apr 5, 2017 15:52:59 GMT -5
The only people buying the new releases are re sellers and completists
I doubt anyone is buying because they genuinely like the concepts or art.
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Post by GPKsetbuilder on Apr 5, 2017 15:56:54 GMT -5
I like how this site is very active with GPK collectors. I can't get anyone to talk GPK on the Tradingcard Database, but they do have a good method for tracking personal collections and trades.
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Post by Steve on Apr 5, 2017 19:10:39 GMT -5
The only people buying the new releases are re sellers and completists I doubt anyone is buying because they genuinely like the concepts or art. I can't imagine that more than 50% of the presidential online sales are actual collectors. My guess is the majority of buyers are buying them in the hopes that they will be in demand later and worth money. The problem with their poor investment decision is that even the die hards are up in arms with just how bad the presidential trash artwork and concepts are.
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Post by JoeCool on Apr 5, 2017 20:30:02 GMT -5
The only people buying the new releases are re sellers and completists I doubt anyone is buying because they genuinely like the concepts or art. I can't imagine that more than 50% of the presidential online sales are actual collectors. My guess is the majority of buyers are buying them in the hopes that they will be in demand later and worth money. The problem with their poor investment decision is that even the die hards are up in arms with just how bad the presidential trash artwork and concepts are. The cost of the cards from Topps will most likely prove to be the factor that makes them a losing investment. They aren't worth 10 bucks each, or 5 bucks each or 3 bucks each. If someone really likes them and is buying them for that reason, let them have fun. As for buying in hopes that they are worth something, good luck with that. Sheer numbers of cards released will prove that to be a terrible idea. The market is flooded with these everyday, rushed, poor concepts.
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Post by JoeCool on Apr 5, 2017 20:41:11 GMT -5
I'd ban him if I were you. He has crazy ideas that don't match yours. He must go. Yeah, I've noticed that you don't dare say anything good about today's GPK or you'll face the wrath of "Stuck 'n Time". Most of the arguments we have here are just differences in opinion. It can be heated and some people won't ever get along but it's a place that you can express your opinion and not fear being tossed out for it. Roll with the punches, I've taken a few, haha. I've given a few. It's just a hobby and for the most part people here are cool to chat with. Remember opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one and some of us are one. haha.
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