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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 19:41:42 GMT -5
I'd like to ask a question since some people are upset over the latest GPK series and whether you would support a new set of trading cards by other GPK artists from the past if they were to collaborate to make a new set which would be art directed by the artists and maybe with some input directly from the fans. This is just hypothetical.
1) Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs?
2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards?
3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff?
4) How many cards in a set?
5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know?
6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set?
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
You can also ask more questions or comment on other things not addressed here.
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Post by LiveMike on Jan 27, 2016 20:19:38 GMT -5
I would definitely buy and support a set that is not "official", I could care less about name brands in general.
Chase cards are fun, but I'm most interested in quality art work.
I don't care about packaging and would personally enjoy them the most with no logos, names or headers. Just art. That's just me, I know others feel differently.
I don't care about name recognition or what other fans are collecting.
I would absolutely support a kickstarter or whatever.
I've been hoping for years that GPK artists get together and create their own Cabbage Patch kids parody sets. Topps does not have the exclusive rights to parody anything. Parody is for everyone and is protected by law in America.
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Post by LiveMike on Jan 27, 2016 20:22:26 GMT -5
By the way, Americans rights to parody has something to do with Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine!
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Post by therage on Jan 27, 2016 20:34:14 GMT -5
I like the idea and Iam definitely interested. Price would be a concern and I would have to see how much these cost. I collect these for nostalgic reasons and it has nothing to do with others collecting them or not. I would like them to somewhat resemble GPKs with headers and boarders as I would be displaying/collecting these along side my GPK collection and not as a separate collection. I love sketch cards so these would be a huge bonus. I think this is a positive idea and could do well. Reading through what many have written here the last week or so the negativity is overwhelming. I'm not one of those who have been negative towards the most recent release but some of the chief complaints seem to be different artists with different styles, same old gags and rehashed characters. How would this set be different from that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 20:36:53 GMT -5
I've been hoping for years that GPK artists get together and create their own Cabbage Patch kids parody sets. Topps does not have the exclusive rights to parody anything. Parody is for everyone and is protected by law in America. While I can't argue that they don't have exclusive rights to parody Cabbage Patch Kids, I have a feeling they wouldn't sit around if there was another series of trading cards that parodied the dolls in a similar fashion. It makes me think though, what if the Parody Card set parodied something other than CPK? Luis never specified that the set would be a straight GPK clone, you know . Plus don't forget, it's been 30 years since the CPK craze, there have been plenty of other franchises that have come through the years that could be parodied. One relevent example that comes to mind is the Minions franchise. I'm legit surprised that with the shoehorning they keep doing with it and the large hatedom it has (just look at /r/MinionHate on Reddit) that no one has made a proper GPK-ish parody of the little yellow runts, maybe this is the chance to do it. I don't know, it's just a suggestion.
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Post by TheWatcher on Jan 27, 2016 20:43:45 GMT -5
1) Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs?
A: Yes I'd buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs as long as the price point is reasonable.
2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards?
A: I'd be happy with a series with strong characterization. I'd want memorable characters and not so much set up gags. The hits are nice but many times it seems the hits become the focus of the set and not the set itself. I'd prefer none of the above.
3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff?
A: Not important at all.
4) How many cards in a set?
A: I'd be happy with a small 40 card set as long as the characterization is strong and it's well thought through. You know quality versus quantity thing.
5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know?
A: It does not have to be official to me as long as it is done well and is in the same vein (look) of the franchise I was interested in. Melty Misfits for example was a complete turn off because while the concepts were similar it was still too far removed from messed up CPKs. I don't care for messed up ice cream things.
6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set?
A: My collecting is guided by complete nostalgia.
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
A: Possibly, again depending on price point. There are reasons why I avoid the designer scene because I am avoiding the designer prices.
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Post by JasonDecay on Jan 27, 2016 22:14:57 GMT -5
1) Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs?
A: Absolutely, I'm in it for fun art!
2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards?
A: Something vaguely like GPK, similar look and feel because they will be displayed together. Trading card size, not big cards.
3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff?
A: It's novel, but if it means high price it's ok to skimp here
4) How many cards in a set?
A: Somewhere in the 20-50 range, significant enough to feel like a full set but not huge
5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know?
A: Official is not important, if it's art drawn "from the heart and mind of a GPK artist". Some of the "rejects" in the past are favorites.
6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set?
A: 75% nostalgia, 25% fun.
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
A: Sure, I am funding the 30th documentary now for the same reasons.
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Post by tommy4ya on Jan 27, 2016 22:41:15 GMT -5
1) Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs?
-Yes!
2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards?
-Those are all nice to have, especially the sketches. But not a requirement. They could work well for kickstarter type rewards., until the initial set gets off the ground. Wouldn't want to get bogged down in too much bonus material and have the set suffer.
3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff?
-Main logo, front face of the series has to be great, but the packaging doesn't matter all that much
4) How many cards in a set?
-Quality over quantity.
5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know?
-Doesn't matter
6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set?
Nostalgia is part of it. The fact that its by fans for fans and not encumbered by bureaucracy is a major draw.
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
-Most definitely.
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Post by pinkladyslippers on Jan 27, 2016 22:49:51 GMT -5
1) Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs? A: Yes I'd buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs as long as the price point is reasonable. 2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards? A: I'd be happy with a series with strong characterization. I'd want memorable characters and not so much set up gags. The hits are nice but many times it seems the hits become the focus of the set and not the set itself. I'd prefer none of the above. 3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff? A: Not important at all. 4) How many cards in a set? A: I'd be happy with a small 40 card set as long as the characterization is strong and it's well thought through. You know quality versus quantity thing. 5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know? A: It does not have to be official to me as long as it is done well and is in the same vein (look) of the franchise I was interested in. Melty Misfits for example was a complete turn off because while the concepts were similar it was still too far removed from messed up CPKs. I don't care for messed up ice cream things. 6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set? A: My collecting is guided by complete nostalgia. 7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place? A: Possibly, again depending on price point. There are reasons why I avoid the designer scene because I am avoiding the designer prices. These answers pretty much sum up my feelings. I will add that bonus cards seem to detract from the base set and I would like to see a strong base set with no bonus cards.
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Post by damien308 on Jan 28, 2016 0:12:49 GMT -5
1) absolutly
2) the series should have all the top artists , all in the tradition of the gpk's style we love . there should be sketches , bonus cards, 1 chrome like card per pack , and variants limited to 1 of 1 or maybe 1 of 5 .
3) it doesn't have to be similar to original gpk packaging. I trust that the artists will come up with something cool .
4) 40 would be good , with a and b versions of course
5) no . as long as this was done right , I will be very happy .
6) I collect gpk's because it takes me back to my childhood and I dig the art .
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
hell yeah !!!!!!!!it would be great if you could get 4 to 6 artists to get in on this . or even if it was just luis , I know it would take longer to come out but I wouldn't care it would be well worth the wait !
if released as a set ,each set should include something different some kind of bonus , that way not everyone gets the same thing . and also gives us another reason to buy multiple sets ......
if done in boxes , packs ....... I would prefer this . its a lot more fun ... sketches bonus variants chrome
do it up !!!!!!!! I would be all over it
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Post by ANSestren on Jan 28, 2016 0:17:02 GMT -5
1) Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs?
Currently am chasing art but it is not easy to find them so I got quite a stashed saved up from not supporting the new gen of GPK, though I probably would support some new card art project if done correctly.
2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards?
I expect some controversial stuff with a wicked twist of laughs. Nothing like nude stuff in it, just enough to angry parents. Though it doesn't all have to be like that. Simple gags are fine. All have to follow a certain style. It needs cohesiveness if there are multiple artists. Bonus cards I don't care for. Nor sketches. I think sketches are a dime a dozen what with what GPK does. I never really care for them. Autographs however are fine.
3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff?
Not important.
4) How many cards in a set?
I think 40 is fine.
5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know?
Don't care if it is official as long as the art is equally as good as the gags, then all is good.
6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set?
Nostalgia doesn't matter to me.
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
I never have funded a Kickstarter before but if the product intrests me, I just might fund it.
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Post by damien308 on Jan 28, 2016 0:22:51 GMT -5
yes . yes , defenetly some edgy characters . pushing the envelope would be very cool .
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Post by El-Jefe on Jan 28, 2016 3:40:17 GMT -5
1)Would you buy or support a set of cards outside of the "official" name brand stuff by former artists of GPKs?
Hell Ya!
2) If so what do you expect from such a series? What kind of art requirements? Other things like Bonus Cards? Sketch Cards? Signed cards?
Art would have to resemble the original CPK dolls with strict attention to detail. Edgy and funny concepts without a cartoon feel. I don't mind bonus cards that stray a bit from the normal "CPK look" to give the artist his own spin on GPK. Sketch Cards a must, not so much on the autos.
3) How important is the design and/or packaging? Does it have to resemble the "official" stuff?
I don't care if it resembles the originals but if you do wax I'm balls deep!
4) How many cards in a set?
If you do the A and B 10-20 characters.
5) Does something "not official" turn you off? What constitutes something that is official? Is it solely based on a product by a company you know?
It gots to be official! For a set like this to work I think that the actual story needs to be told of its conception from all artist on board. 6) How much is nostalgia a part of your decision? How much of it is just name recognition and the fact that other fans are collecting the set?
I think if the story is good the nestalgia would definitely play a part. As far as others collecting I don't mind if they do or don't but it's always fun trading and meting new collectors.
7) Would you be willing to fund such a set if a Kickstarter or some other crowd source system was in place?
It's a possibility.
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Post by tonyp1492 on Jan 28, 2016 9:25:20 GMT -5
Luis, if you yourself or a couple of artists did a kick-starter or something I would definitely be in. My top end would probably be in the $100 range or so for a 30 - 40 card set. I'm not sure how feasible that is. I guess I could stretch it depending on the time of year.
I tend to like a Garbage Pail Kids type banner but am not married to it. I have no desire for chase cards or bonus or anything. Packaging doesn't matter. It would be nice to have them be CPK parodies but even that is not a requirement if the art is cool and the gags are funny.
I'm sure whatever you came up with would be of great value.
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Post by ukdave on Jan 28, 2016 11:14:08 GMT -5
Luis, as you know, I have been buying your parody cards this series.
If you and a few other artists got together and produced a set along these lines, I would be a happy bunny.
The border and banner style with the occasional bonus cards and maybe a couple of autos?
Packaging doesn't matter too much, it would be nice to have a wrapper or unopened pack for the collection, but not a necessity
It's nice to converse with other collectors, but I mainly collect for nostalgia.
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Post by 3mileMalcolm on Jan 28, 2016 12:23:13 GMT -5
Some great ideas! I think keeping it simple and picking up where OS9 left off would be great. How about calling them- "Garbage Fail Kidz"
More edgy, but still with the CPK look. Topps can either deal with it or get their act together .
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Post by damien308 on Jan 28, 2016 12:27:56 GMT -5
and stickers would be huge for me . cards would be fine , but once again ........ stickers !!!
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Post by damien308 on Jan 30, 2016 23:57:07 GMT -5
come on guys , only 16 responses to this thread ? maybe some of you are interested but don't want to answer all the questions ?
I say give it a shot luis, worst thing that can happen is the idea doesn't get fully funded .
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Post by LiveMike on Jan 31, 2016 0:40:11 GMT -5
come on guys , only 16 responses to this thread ? maybe some of you are interested but don't want to answer all the questions ? I say give it a shot luis, worst thing that can happen is the idea doesn't get fully funded . Agreed. Let's do this
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Post by damien308 on Jan 31, 2016 1:07:29 GMT -5
I would like to see a totally different design for the cards or stickers. even the banner should not resemble gpk's .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 6:36:38 GMT -5
I would like to see a totally different design for the cards or stickers. even the banner should not resemble gpk's . That's interesting. I wonder how others would feel about that.
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Post by JasonDecay on Jan 31, 2016 9:11:30 GMT -5
I would like to see a totally different design for the cards or stickers. even the banner should not resemble gpk's . That's interesting. I wonder how others would feel about that. If the cards aren't like GPK, I'd probably buy them eventually but would want to see them first, meaning I wouldn't fund a campaign online most likely. Maybe that's just me.
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Post by Artful Dodger on Jan 31, 2016 11:22:29 GMT -5
I think it depends a lot on what your goals are. If you are trying to make a whole new brand that will have success for years to come:
Think back to what made GPK a classic in the 80s and create something that will receive that same kind of buzz. They appealed to kids, had great art, were NOT for collectors at all, were not liked by parents/teachers, etc. That is what the current crop of GPKs are not doing. GPKs back in the day were fun. I never thought they would be worth money and thats what made them great. It was about the cool looking picture, not that it had a gold border, autograph, etc. I used to stick them on my school books and it was fun to try to get them all and you could with a whole box. Make them fun and the rest will come. Make them for collectors and they are already doomed from the start.
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Post by damien308 on Jan 31, 2016 12:06:43 GMT -5
well let's be a little realistic here . im pretty sure this wont attract kid collectors . but will attract existing gpk teen to adult fan's . so I don't think making it kid friendly should be a issue .
so edgy maybe somewhat offensive subjects shouldn't be a problem .
the set should be done in the gpk tradition we love and miss . but should stand on it's own . which is why i suggest a new banner and design . simple but basic .
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Post by damien308 on Jan 31, 2016 12:08:24 GMT -5
That's interesting. I wonder how others would feel about that. If the cards aren't like GPK, I'd probably buy them eventually but would want to see them first, meaning I wouldn't fund a campaign online most likely. Maybe that's just me. well im sure the campaign page will have examples of what were getting. and if your familiar with luis diaz you know his work is amazing .
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Post by JasonDecay on Jan 31, 2016 13:04:29 GMT -5
If the cards aren't like GPK, I'd probably buy them eventually but would want to see them first, meaning I wouldn't fund a campaign online most likely. Maybe that's just me. well im sure the campaign page will have examples of what were getting. and if your familiar with luis diaz you know his work is amazing . I do not disagree, Luis is amazing. We are talking about a joint effort here, many artists right? I don't have a money tree, so I'm just saying there's no guarantee I will buy art on cards just because it's by the gpk artists. If they look great, that's always an option. But if we are talking a non gpk type set, I would have to reserve judgement, that's all I'm saying.
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Post by damien308 on Jan 31, 2016 13:17:14 GMT -5
understood. I would buy it if luis was doing the set alone. I know it would take longer but im sure would be worth the wait
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Post by GpkRevolution on Jan 31, 2016 14:11:07 GMT -5
Yes to the set. I will buy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 0:09:23 GMT -5
I think it depends a lot on what your goals are. If you are trying to make a whole new brand that will have success for years to come: Think back to what made GPK a classic in the 80s and create something that will receive that same kind of buzz. They appealed to kids, had great art, were NOT for collectors at all, were not liked by parents/teachers, etc. That is what the current crop of GPKs are not doing. GPKs back in the day were fun. I never thought they would be worth money and thats what made them great. It was about the cool looking picture, not that it had a gold border, autograph, etc. I used to stick them on my school books and it was fun to try to get them all and you could with a whole box. Make them fun and the rest will come. Make them for collectors and they are already doomed from the start. I agree with what you guys are saying. I'm the only one actually replying, but other artists are probably seeing it trust me. I think trading cards in general are a diminishing market...print in general. I love well crafted printed things like most of you. I love trading cards and printed comics and books, but things are changing some. Trading cards are perfect, but I have that attachment because I was raised with baseball cards and GPKs in the 80's like most of you and sure some kids and teens (who were kids in during the ANS Series) love GPKs, but I doubt it's like the 25¢ days. I could scavenge around for a few cents back then. Kids today have to ask their parents and the cards are sold at department stores and not the ice cream man or other places that were slightly more readily for kids. I don't know if kids these days are gathering the same kind of love we did for trading cards. I think GPKs were the rave and their art and message was a bit disturbing to the status quo of the 80s establishment. Very difficult to achieve something like that today that I think probably happened by chance back then. Mass produced video games were for kids and teens back then, but they were not as a distracting medium as it is today with the level of playability and interactiveness. Kids were out and about. Today I think a lot of kids are playing games at each other's house if they leave their homes at all. Of course I'm speculating, but when I'm at Target I never see a kid at the toy section. I used to see like dozens and dozens of kids in K-Mart and Sears toy sections. With Video Games and today's generation I don't think you can compete with that market? Not with trading cards. Either way I love doing them and even if it's a collector's market with 100 buyers it would be worth it. I would hope it would be a lot more if we do run a more mass-produced set with multiple artists. It's really up to you guys to really push for something you like and with crowd-sourcing it can work really well.
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Post by damien308 on Feb 3, 2016 0:43:19 GMT -5
im in for sure
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